applejack @applejack@gameliberty.club

@Aldo2 @carlosruzu Also keep in mind "CSA" here as they're talking about is better described as "sexual experiences without rape"

They also talk about how difficult it is to even talk about this because people want to put consensual and non-consensual relationships in the same pot or you're a pedoenabler "IT'S ALWAYS RAPE!" so you need to use terms like "CSA"

@Aldo2 @carlosruzu But they're still part of the same culture, they have the same beliefs as anyone else, it's more about their experiences

People vastly overestimate the effects, don't know it was the norm historically, and underestimate the benefits

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9670820/
>Meta-analyses revealed that students with CSA were, on average, slightly less well adjusted than controls. However, this poorer adjustment could not be attributed to CSA because family environment (FE) was consistently confounded with CSA, FE explained considerably more adjustment variance than CSA, and CSA-adjustment relations generally became nonsignificant when studies controlled for FE. Self-reported reactions to and effects from CSA indicated that negative effects were neither pervasive nor typically intense, and that men reacted much less negatively than women. The college data were completely consistent with data from national samples. Basic beliefs about CSA in the general population were not supported.

@carlosruzu @Aldo2 They're not responsible enough to blindly do what they want, but they do still have genuine sexual or romantic feelings, and that can still be expressed healthily in a marriage

>Consistent with our findings, masturbation has been reported to start in most children before 2 years of age
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/47718104_Infantile_and_early_childhood_masturbation_Sex_hormones_and_clinical_profile

@carlosruzu @Aldo2 There is nothing wrong or unnatural with being a pedophile

Girls are fertile at 12 (and there are advantages to planning ahead and picking younger), average age of marriage was 12-16 historically, in 1880 the AOC in the US was 7-12, studies that look at CSE and control for SES and actual cases of rape don't find long term harm, even in this society

@Zyra "society has circumvented evolution"

If this wasn't your point you made it badly

@Zyra

>talks about age of consent

>argues about age of consent due to nature

>"actually nature isn't important"

>argues not going with nature has lead to bad results

>"actually this isnt related"

I don't really know what to tell you

@Zyra Aga

@FallenFadedLostItAll@freak.university

119. The system does not and cannot exist to satisfy human needs. Instead, it is human behavior that has to be modified to fit the needs of the system. This has nothing to do with the political or social ideology that may pretend to guide the technological system. It is not the fault of capitalism and it is not the fault of socialism. It is the fault of technology, because the system is guided not by ideology but by technical necessity. [18] Of course the system does satisfy many human needs, but generally speaking it does this only to the extend that it is to the advantage of the system to do it. It is the needs of the system that are paramount, not those of the human being. For example, the system provides people with food because the system couldn't function if everyone starved; it attends to people's psychological needs whenever it can CONVENIENTLY do so, because it couldn't function if too many people became depressed or rebellious. But the system, for good, solid, practical reasons, must exert constant pressure on people to mold their behavior to the needs of the system. To much waste accumulating? The government, the media, the educational system, environmentalists, everyone inundates us with a mass of propaganda about recycling. Need more technical personnel? A chorus of voices exhorts kids to study science. No one stops to ask whether it is inhumane to force adolescents to spend the bulk of their time studying subjects most of them hate. When skilled workers are put out of a job by technical advances and have to undergo "retraining," no one asks whether it is humiliating for them to be pushed around in this way. It is simply taken for granted that everyone must bow to technical necessity. and for good reason: If human needs were put before technical necessity there would be economic problems, unemployment, shortages or worse. The concept of "mental health" in our society is defined largely by the extent to which an individual behaves in accord with the needs of the system and does so withoutshowing signs of stress.

@Charfuhrer What is that?

@Zyra Single out dysgenics in and of itself, it alone is enough to prove this is unmanageable.

Evolution happens even in an environment like this. Fertility stats show that dumber, sicker, worse people more actively have kids, and unless you're some deluded and retarded blankslatist, that means inevitable death unless it's reversed

@Zyra We're both suffering and dying because it's not circumwented, wdym?

We're under replacement fertility, suicides are going up, people work more for less, you need to go into debt to study more for the privilege to work at all, 1/3rd of people are obese, people can't form relationships anymore, deaths of despair, we're losing freedoms, mental illness, everything, dysgenics, falling IQ, raising genetic diseases

This system is *very* actively failing. It's going to be replaced because this isn't what we evolved for

@Zyra Okay, polar bears don't live in the arctic. I got them backwards but you get my point. Social engineers works on provably false memes

@Zyra We put this grizzly bear in the arctic, but we gave it penguin hunting lessons, so it's all good

>inb4 penguins don't live in the arctic
And the average social engineer doesn't know what humans evolved for

@Zyra No, it hasn't. If you put an animal in an environment it's not evolved for, it either suffers or dies, and we're partially in both

@miria @matana @Aldo2 @beardalaxy @carlosruzu The DSM5 has a section about how interest in pornography including minors is a good indicator, even if they themselves say they aren't pedos

@sandy @Zyra Bonding prior to being fertile is a great thing, but it's a less direct point

@beardalaxy @carlosruzu @matana @Aldo2 I agree there's context to it that makes it different, but that context is going to be some moral psychological thing that makes you feel bad for liking real girls, that's how it was for me and a lot of other people, not a fetish for paper or you exclusively like a race of japanese goblin midgets that just happen to look like LGs or something

Also, she's definitely 100% in my "fugg" category

@carlosruzu @Aldo2 There are lots of lolicons that admit to being pedos, we just get banned a lot

>horrififc actions
99% of us have done nothing

99% of that is just bias. Giant sample with a handful of occurrences makes you think it's a regular thing