Carlos Ruzu @carlosruzu@gameliberty.club

@Aldo2 @FallenFadedLostItAll@freak.university @applejack yeah I agree that if you're able to go to war, youre able to have sex. You wouldn't send sub 15s to war though

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@FallenFadedLostItAll@freak.university @applejack @Aldo2 also aoc isn't the reason we have shit sex ed

@FallenFadedLostItAll@freak.university @applejack @Aldo2 that's the thing, people assume the age of consent is a thing of "difference of age is bad" when it's more along the lines of "we don't know exactly when someone is fully capable to consent so let's set a standard in age so that it gives people time to develop as a person in that regard before they approach that" The main red flag with adult child relations is none of this gender exploration, it's always down to a matter of "are they in the proper state to consent". I'll read the rest of that earlier post to see if you addressed this but it's like what I said earlier, we can't tell if a drunk person is able to consent so we just wait until they are sober. If we had a way to know they are fully capable to consent, that'd be fine but until then it's best to wait

@FallenFadedLostItAll@freak.university @applejack @Aldo2 as to the sexuality exploration thing, that sounds fine then, although I think it's odd to act like as if exploring your sexuality depends on all these factors like gender conformance and gymnastics. Personally for me, it was a simple realization of which broad category do I feel comfortable with as an individual, which is ofc asexuality, and now I'm simply trying to see how I'd like to live as an ace. Will reply to the other points later but as long as there's no adult child relations, it's fine

@FallenFadedLostItAll@freak.university @applejack @Aldo2 also regarding the first point being dumb, not really as again, a drunk person can say yes and no. Even apple jack says it's fine, so what's so different between a child saying yes to sex with an adult vs a drunk woman saying yes to sex with a sober adult

@FallenFadedLostItAll@freak.university @applejack @Aldo2 "it doesn't harm children" jaded idea of sex due to the age they were exposed to it, likely that they will develop their personality of not their lifestyle around that also due to that age, both of which harm their ideas of a healthy relationship.

That said, child masturbation and sexually identifying as whatever isn't as concerning to me as Applejack implying that it's "not rape if she enjoys it". Just think that as an asexual myself, it's not healthy in a social sense for someone to focus on that due to the likely outcome that they will develop their personality around that, an issue that's actively seen with social media promoting e-boys and that's, not to mention a good amount of the LGBT members I've met themselves saying that kids shouldn't expire at that age

@Aldo2 @applejack something you chose to actively explore. Can you say the same for a child experiencing what's essentially hormone changes?

@applejack @Aldo2 also the difference in those decisions is that the lack of knowledge isn't due to a lack of maturity on the subject, it's due to ignorance on their part. If you are reasonably able to consent to something and you do, that doesn't get voided in retrospect because you dislike the effect it had

@applejack @Aldo2 ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 15 and 20 is pretty far imo but I'll say it like this, there's nothing wrong with people within 3 years of each other's age range being into each other like that.

@applejack @Aldo2 "masturbation is masturbation" not in a context where even by their metrics, the shit lasts for less than 5 minutes, being done by human beings who literally cannot survive in their own because they don't know what they are doing.

Even if I accept that children masturbate, by that standard again, you're implying that you agree with the sentiment "It isn't rape if she enjoys it" Please let me know that you mean something else, please

@applejack @Aldo2 first, could you please explain why her consent counts? Is there any situation by your standards that counts as rape? Also, saying "no one knows everything" is a dog shit excuse. Massive leap in judgement to compare something like even wedlock to pedophilia to the point where you had to make it sound like you're talking about 2 fifteen year olds, when you know my concern is about specifically an adult and a child fucking

@FallenFadedLostItAll@freak.university @applejack @Aldo2 "kids should explore their sexuality"

No.

@Aether

@applejack @Aldo2 >What does any of that mean? "sexual substances at work", what?

It seems as if the article's definition of masturbation isn't based on if the kids were willing to do it but rather dependent on which and what hormones and chemicals are in their body. By this and the "children can cry or smile" shit you're implying that "it isn't rape is she enjoyed it" is actually true, am I wrong?

All children underwent basic laboratory investigations prior to referral. Other tests included electroencephalography (n=8) and brain neuroimaging (n=9). We measured dehydroepiandrosterone sulfate, 17-hydroxyprogesterone, free testosterone, estradiol, dehydroepiandrosterone, sex hormone-binding globulin (SHBG), and androstenedione in all participants. The median age at the first incident was 19.5 months (range, 4-36 months); the median masturbation frequency, 4 times/day; and the median duration of each event, 3.9 min. The subjects masturbated in both prone (n=10) and supine positions (n=3); two subjects used the knee-chest position. All subjects showed facial flushing; 6, friction between the thighs; 5, sweating; 9, sleeping after the event; and 12, disturbance on interruption. EEG was abnormal in one of eight subjects tested, and neuroimages were normal in all of nine subjects examined. The case and control groups had comparable levels of all sex hormones, except estradiol, which showed significantly lower levels in the case group (P=.02). Masturbation in children seems to be associated with reduced estradiol levels, but not with other sex hormones. Further studies are needed to confirm our findings.

@applejack @Aldo2 >People know the concept of "yes" and "no" even before they can talk. Sex as a concept and it's consequences aren't difficult either

By this logic, it's perfectly ok to advance on and fuck a blackout drunk woman. Explain further

>If there's no metric for it, by what measure did anyone decide what the AOC should be in the first place?

Generally an age of which it was common for people to start being curious and trying sexual interactions out willingly. Main reason why I'm not the most erratic, although not completely supportive, of a aoc around 16, because by that point, it's common you're starting to try and do shit yourself. There's an argument to be made you don't quite know the full effects of what you're doing so it's still murky but we know by this point that it's not abnormal for a 16 year old to have sexual wants

@applejack @Aldo2 what you call masturbation is clearly just sexual substances at work without the child knowing how any of those work and what not. That's not even getting into the fact that the child can't fucking speak at this age. go on, how do people consent with a person unable to speak?

@applejack @Aldo2 statutory rape isn't just "ok", it very much varies. At best, it can be ok if you found someone able to conceive the idea of consent, but there's no verifiable way to find that out about someone below the age of consent. You want the benefits of being like "it's a murky water" without dealing with the consequences of cleaning it out. The point of concepts like consent and statutory rape is provide as many societal gatekeeps to sexual abuse without being overly retarded about it. You can't dismiss statutory rape without trying to find another to confirm this person, possibly 12 year old as you yourself implied, can consent. Otherwise it's still clearly something we still need