@dielan @matrix and occasionally referee a mutual combat

@dielan
Who wrote that? What sort of cuckery is that? $1000 is a ridiculously high amount.

@matrix no idea that's what Seattle PD told me in person

@matrix so if someone breaks into your car the cops will visit you and make sure you're not injured but they take no action. Even if they catch the person in the act the most they would do is arrest them and release them same day

@dielan
So I guess it's similar like in New York where a guy got arrested like 50 times for breaking and entering, but always let go.

@matrix @dielan In my home town in the early 1900s there was a guy who kept committing crimes, until finally he raped a girl and a group of men got together and lynched him by tying him up with rope and throwing him in the river. This is what eventually happens if justice does not happen.

@matrix @dielan I'm not saying it's good, but kind of like things that are happening right now, you can't stop people when they're fed up.

@Moon@shitposter.club @matrix@gameliberty.club @dielan@shitposter.club The government creating leanent laws will cause people to either defend themselves or seek out vigilante justice. I understand some leniency but they've pushed it to the absurd and the backlash will be bad.

@shadowferret @dielan @matrix @Moon laws are for the weak. The ones with power will get away eventually.

@GNUxeava@fedi.absturztau.be @dielan@shitposter.club @matrix@gameliberty.club @Moon@shitposter.club lol, Laws are also for keeping people from switching to an Omerta style system where you have to seek vengeance for yourself. It's great in theory but you could just as easily start a generational feud and an unnecessary amount of deaths.

@shadowferret This is the one thing the Defund boosters don't get. Laws and cops, and the overall facade of a justice system, don't exist to protect normals from them; they exist to protect them from normals who've had it with their bullshit. There are few things quite as hilarious as a loose rabble of soft, spoiled children who've never met actual adversity and yet call for #Resistance and #Revolution, as they've deluded themselves into genuinely believing they'll win Thunderdome.
@dielan @matrix @Moon

@pcachu @shadowferret @Moon @dielan @matrix

Rioters = edible

Humans taste like pork

Pass it on

@dielan @matrix That's best case. Worst case you see active lashing out by officers.

You don't starve a poorly trained dog.

@matrix @dielan The government doesn't give a flying fuck about property damage or property rights, and is more than happy to turn a blind eye towards petty criminals destroying the blood, sweat, and tears of honest entrepreneurs. They will enforce drug laws because asset forfeiture allows them to personally profit, and a similar principle applies to writing traffic tickets, but when it comes to basic justice they really just don't give a shit.

@ArdanianRight @matrix @dielan That's because so many cities make their income off of fining and arresting people because their budget is out of wack. A nearby town of mine has really low speed limits and cops hiding behind the trees because it's the only way their council can make money.

@dielan @matrix >They just break up fights and respond to murders but most people arrested are released within 24 hours That seems like all police should be doing in the first place tbh

@a7
You dont think property crime should be punished?
@matrix

@dielan @matrix i think it should be punished, but you shouldnt be held without a trial and you cant really do anything other than provide evidence or stop in the act.

@a7
Sure but right now if the damage doesnt exceed $1000 the 911 dispatcher isn't even going to send someone
@matrix

@dielan @matrix well 911 is emergency number, im sure you can file a police report on the incident

@a7
You can't in Seattle.
@matrix

@dielan @matrix 911 dispatch isnt the same as filing a police report

@a7
Ok let me rephrase it for you.

You can't file a police report in Seattle for property crime if it didn't happen to you (can't report for someone else or a business) and the stolen goods must exceed $1000 in value.

They will literally do nothing. They won't even do something if they witness it themselves
@matrix

@dielan @matrix > if it didn’t happen to you (can’t report for someone else or a business) that seems logical - bit odd to file a police report on some one elses behalf >the stolen goods must exceed $1000 in value. sure thats not just for arrest? the same thing in most major cities is the policy otherwise their jails would over flow… You can still charge and set court dates- you just cant hold them in jail - and its not cause of liberalism - its because of city budget.

@a7
Its not a threshold for arrest. They literally let it slide.

A friend of mine (from another city with higher standards) called them out on this and the response from the street cop (who had just ignored a crime) was "elect different people next time"
@matrix

@dielan @matrix i would like to see this law rather than just have ‘a friend of mine’

@a7
Sure, its ancdotal evidence but feel free to visit and ask yourself.

I work in Seattle I see this stuff all the time
@matrix

@dielan @matrix a friend of mine got arrested for stealing a burrito in Seattle .. see I can do it too.

I dunno i have a feeling it’s what i described cause similar laws were passed in a major city near me and people described it like you are describing it right now, but it’s not the case.

@a7
My friend got that snarky response I mentioned but I PERSONALLY asked and was told about the $1000 limits and such I mentioned a few posts ago.

You dont have to believe me. Come visit they'll tell you the same thing
@matrix

@dielan @a7 @matrix

The WHO says there's no conclusive evidence that things are actually like this in Seattle.

@moth @dielan @matrix i dunno all info i can find on what he’s talking about say its an arrest threshold and misdemeanor charges can be filed..

@a7 @dielan @matrix

It's a joke. Anything the WHO says "there's no conclusive evidence to support" is assuredly true.

@moth @dielan @matrix ya i got the joke

@a7 @moth @matrix

>be me
>born in Seattle area
>work in Seattle for last 7 years
>observe rampant property crime
>ask why
>discover permissible narcotics limit, $1000 property crime limit, you can't report a break-in in progress for a car or store unless you're the owner
>some random guy on the internet who's probably never been here in the last year: "nope, not true"


These replies were a waste of time.

@dielan @matrix @moth sucks being you i guess

@dielan @a7 @matrix @moth
Time to go full Shadowrun and have them declare Seattle an Autonomous City State so it's pozz won't continue to spread through the USA:

@dielan felony theft (can be arrested) vs misdemeanor (ticket and then court date). @a7 @matrix

@dielan @matrix

[robs you in $999.99 chunks]

nothing to see here officer.

@dielan @matrix Some would consider themselves lucky that the police don’t enforce anything other than keeping the peace.

@xianc78 @matrix

Sure they can. Just like with prisons. You privatize it to people who give you kickbacks and everyone's happy. Except probably the 911 workers who'd lose out on those generous city bennies and people who would probably be less well served as training droped and turnover increased.

But who cares about the plebs amirite?

@nerdman @matrix That image is a meme. I 100% agree that private security would be more efficient than police. I think stores like Wal-Mart or Best Buy can benefit from having private security guards on the premise over relying on the city police.

@xianc78 @matrix

I'm undecided on the private police thing. I'm a minarchist and removing law enforcement from government is one of the last thing's I'd personally do.

I'm open to seeing it happening in places and working. Maybe a mixed system where police is state owned but you can contract them to do your security, legally?

@nerdman @matrix Police forces were actually mostly privatized up to the industrial revolution. I don't get why minarchists think that government police is required when it is a more recent invention. As an ancap, I really do believe that most people would have a basic grasp of the NAP and would know that if they aggressed on someone, the victim can aggressed them back or use private security to do that.

@xianc78 @matrix

Well until the industrial revolution the preferred method of governance was feudalism, and human beings were mostly private property in and of themselves.

I personally don't understand how a fully private police force can work with SOME measure of equanimity. If you're paying for the cops job why would you treat me correctly, that kind of thing.

Again. Not closed to it working. Just don't trust it until I see it ACTUALLY working for some time before subjecting myself to it. I'm kind of an empiricist old fogey.