@matrix having regulation against ideologies that don't permit free speech is defending free speech essentially
@matrix I forgot to mention that fascism is already outlawed too in Italy so it's only fair to ban communism and the other authoritarian ideologies

@matrix

Singapore has a law where if you advocate for class or race warfare (ie communism or BLM) you can get arrested for sedition.

Which goes against my principles such as wanting free speech. But unfortunately I can't afford to have principles when it comes to fighting for freedom.

@Publius @matrix "freedom" - what does that even mean? It's just a propaganda term

@Fatal @matrix

The term has a lot of different meanings. I mean it in the sense of having autonomy/ resposibility for myself and my property.

But communists say they are fighting for "freedom" as a way to subvert the term. As they mean they want to be free from the need to work and compete.

@Publius @matrix Isn't that freedom in and of itself? I.E: "You don't have to work, you're free not to"

@Fatal @matrix

Yeah in that case its like they are free to choose what to do with their own life. In this case they are choosing to not work or gain resources.

The issue is that then they don't like the consequences of their actions that they themselves chose.

So most people hate freedom because it means that only themselves are to blame for any consequences that happen

But I agree its a buzzword and I absolutely hate word games and vague (motte and bailey) definitions.

@Publius @matrix What about freedom from responsibility? Man can never be free, he is insatiable

@Fatal @matrix

Freedom from responsibility is called being a woman or child.

The only way to achieve that as a man is to either find a gay sugar daddy willing to subsidise you no matter what. Or vote for a paternalist totalitarian government and hope that they will continue to pay for all your bad choices without just using all that power to enslave you like it has had to do in order to get the money required to pay to fix any bad decisions

@Publius @matrix All states are authoritarian or totalitarian lol

@Fatal @matrix

Yes. Because wanting to be free from responsibility and be taken care of is a fundamental part of the human condition. So it is the norm

@Publius @matrix No-one cares about your rights basically. They care about paying the bills
@Publius @matrix My point is that you want the impossible. You may as well shout into the void as your world dies

@Fatal @matrix

I'm happy to compromise to just low taxes and no welfare. The current system barely has a decade left so I'll just go to the most capitalist faction or area possible and be content with that.

I agree there is no point wasting our lives waiting for a utopia to be built

@matrix banning expressions of what don't amount to any kind of logical or empirical point but are instead "we should violate your rights" basically amounts to banning someone from saying "I am going to kill you" or "we should collectively come together to kill you".

Rights don't exist anyway. Whatever benefits your people as a whole is overall good.

@matrix "at least we stood by our principles when we let the commies take over"

@matrix
The tolerance paradox.
Can freedom to talk about 1 topic be sacreficed, in order to protect MANY MANY other freedoms?

@LukeAlmighty @matrix Give these commies freedom as in a free helicopter ride.

@matrix There might be something to be said for fighting fire with fire. Taking the high road has proven to be a losing strategy. These fucks won't value freedom of speech unless theirs is taken from them.
@matrix Communism as a party is very dangerous, because they use democracy as a tool to destroy it and take the power.

Also commies can be very dangerous as teachers, because they indoctrinate children to use them as their cannon fodder later.

They use violence as a political tool, but when violence returns 🚁they cry like babies. Iron fist. Glass chin.

Is better to have a solid economic education, then every commie idea will exposed as the nonsense they are.
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