@Chizu
No. Minimum wage needs to reflect the local economy, so the most the federal government should do is "If you don't set federal wage, you'll follow ours". It would be like trying to argue that Germany and Slovakia should have the same minimum wage,
From what I know it isn't unreasonable to ask for $30 to cover living expenses, but it is in Texas or Florida.
@Spaghettimon

@matrix @Spaghettimon That is what I'm saying, the federal minimum should be what it should be given the amount of time it has not increased on inflation, some places will probably need to have it higher, and having a higher minimum wage in areas where it doesn't need to be higher does not harm anyone.

@Chizu
That's why you can't have a minimum. Inappropriate minimum wage would destroy a lot of businesses.
@Spaghettimon

@matrix @Chizu @Spaghettimon this is also why they like immigration so much. people willing to accept worse pay or ideally people they can just deport if they get uppity.

@matrix @Chizu Employers will always pay the minimum they can, look at Elon and Nestlé employing literal slave labour

@Spaghettimon @matrix nestle is an unfair example, they're just the worst in every single possible way

@Chizu @matrix I don't think they're a bad example precisely because they are the worst and there is no consequence inside the system

In 2004 they won over a slavery lawsuit because, and I quote, "it didn't happen in U.S. soil"

@Spaghettimon @matrix I meant that its such a good example of a bad company that it's far far worse than any alternatives

@Spaghettimon
What's the US supposed to do about it though?
@Chizu

@Spaghettimon @matrix @Chizu ur a communist tho so you think slave labour is pretty based no?

@Mysha @matrix @Chizu No, to the opposite. We see slavery as being worse than current capitalism, and current capitalism as a variant of slavery

@Spaghettimon @matrix @Chizu i was joking partially

forced labor seems to be a favorite of alot of tankies and honestly is the "morally correct" equivalent to slave labor

also i just noticed ive been spelling labor like a brit 🤮

@Mysha @matrix @Chizu Communism throws away the idea of morality as it has no base in facts, going for ethics instead

The idea of communism (marxism here to be more precise) is that paying for time makes no sense, since the quality and the quantity of work made during a given amount of time may greatly vary from person to person and does not take the end result into consideration

So the paying (in which in a truly marxist community would be without money) would be based on your results. Besides that, by Marx, work ought to be a right, not a duty. One works if they want, with what they want and the only way for something to truly be a right is if it is not a need. That is, if you need to work to survive, society has turned it into a duty in which you're obligated to do something you don't want for a society you didn't ask to be a part of

@Spaghettimon @matrix @Chizu aeugh wall of text about communism so boring

@Mysha @matrix @Chizu I mean, it's a defined economic theory, it's to be expected

Also, I write in longform to pre-answer possible qeustions

Tl;dr tho:
Communism doesn't like forced labour

@Spaghettimon @matrix @Chizu labor grrr

@Mysha @matrix @Chizu I like the british spelling of shit
If you complain Imma start calling pants trousers

@Spaghettimon @Mysha @matrix crisps

@Spaghettimon @matrix @Chizu i will literally smuggle a 9mm all the way to brazil just so i can give it to you just so you can shoot yourself

@Mysha @matrix @Chizu pls do

@Spaghettimon @Chizu @matrix ok

@Spaghettimon
That's just fucking retarded. Would you define a farmer tending his farm so he can eat a duty?
People wanting to work whenever however contradicts with always having enough to survive, thus somebody would have to fill in those gaps which would mean it actually becomes their duty and because they don't have the means reward that duty, boom, you have slavery.
@Mysha @Chizu

@Spaghettimon @Mysha @Chizu
Also what are you talking about? You already are paid for your work in most jobs, since you can't just sit there and do nothing. Companies also often have performance bonuses. You are just saying you don't want to honor a contract which is just lazy/scummy.
In jobs where you are paid by your time it's because there isn't another way. How do you pay a nightguard for their work? $50 for every trespasser they catch?