@matrix I mean, Marx was speaking of that way back in the 1800s as a common tactic of capitalism

Never forget what the CEO said: "babies aren't that profitable", regarding the baby formula shortage

@Spaghettimon Well Marx and his followers/offshoots are basically conspiracy theorists so I guess

@matrix Capitalism is a giant pyramid scheme and is measurably on the decline since it started

Considering however the real meaning of conspiracy theory, yes

Not believing any is as stupid a believing every

@Spaghettimon
I meant conspiracy theorist with negative connotation

Capitalism has been falling down since forever and yet it's lifted ton of people out of poverty and generally has improved the state of the world.

@matrix It's true that it has, even Lenin would agree
Lenin said that "Imperialist capitalism is far less oppressive than the colonialist capitalism before it, and that far less oppressive than feudalism"

However, capitalism has its limits on how many it can lift from poverty, and the limit has already been reached

Such as old systems fell because they became obsolete, capitalism will fall for a more decentralized system, a community-based system (whether in the marxist sense or not) and that is, by deffinition, community-ism, communism

@Spaghettimon
Well yes, if capitalism falls, we revert to a more shittier world. Out of ashes does not often rise Phoenix.

You are now playing language games, communism is when community exists.

@matrix @Spaghettimon

The default of mankind is "nasty, brutish, and short", as Hobbes* would say.

*The English political philosopher, not the tiger
@LoliHat @matrix But was he right?

He said that, sure, but isn't humanity capable of great acts of kindness, beautiful things and long-lastings things?

@Spaghettimon
Humans are a part of nature, evolved from animals and nature is nothing but cruelty.
Various charitable actions to improve ingroup cohesion and survival or wholesome big chungus 5 second ooc clips do not disprove that.
@LoliHat

@matrix @LoliHat Communism doesn't mean perfect human coesion, but more than what we have now
@Spaghettimon @matrix

>coesion

If you meant "coercion", then yes.

Communism needs to be imposed, and that means imposing it by force. That forced imposing inevitably becomes its own reason for existence with "wreckers", "mensheviks", and "kulaks" always to blame for things not working out which justifies the power of the Nomenklatura.
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