@matrix I mean, Marx was speaking of that way back in the 1800s as a common tactic of capitalism

Never forget what the CEO said: "babies aren't that profitable", regarding the baby formula shortage

@Spaghettimon Well Marx and his followers/offshoots are basically conspiracy theorists so I guess

@matrix Capitalism is a giant pyramid scheme and is measurably on the decline since it started

Considering however the real meaning of conspiracy theory, yes

Not believing any is as stupid a believing every

@Spaghettimon
I meant conspiracy theorist with negative connotation

Capitalism has been falling down since forever and yet it's lifted ton of people out of poverty and generally has improved the state of the world.

@matrix It's true that it has, even Lenin would agree
Lenin said that "Imperialist capitalism is far less oppressive than the colonialist capitalism before it, and that far less oppressive than feudalism"

However, capitalism has its limits on how many it can lift from poverty, and the limit has already been reached

Such as old systems fell because they became obsolete, capitalism will fall for a more decentralized system, a community-based system (whether in the marxist sense or not) and that is, by deffinition, community-ism, communism

@Spaghettimon
Well yes, if capitalism falls, we revert to a more shittier world. Out of ashes does not often rise Phoenix.

You are now playing language games, communism is when community exists.

@matrix @Spaghettimon

The default of mankind is "nasty, brutish, and short", as Hobbes* would say.

*The English political philosopher, not the tiger
@LoliHat @matrix But was he right?

He said that, sure, but isn't humanity capable of great acts of kindness, beautiful things and long-lastings things?
@Spaghettimon @matrix

Utopia doesn't exist. It's literally there in the name
@LoliHat @matrix Where did I say Utopia?

Is a better thing that we have now a Utopia just because you can't cope that what we have now isn't literally the best system ever under every condition?
@Spaghettimon @matrix

Times of peace and prosperity are rare. Trying to trash it to build something better is inherently foolish, moreso when it's built on ridiculous pseudo-religious nonsense.
@LoliHat @matrix How is any of it pseudo religious?

Tell me, why do you think nothing better than the current system can exst
@Spaghettimon @matrix Maybe a better system might develop, but only organically and naturally... certainly not by "intelligent design".

@Spaghettimon
Humans are a part of nature, evolved from animals and nature is nothing but cruelty.
Various charitable actions to improve ingroup cohesion and survival or wholesome big chungus 5 second ooc clips do not disprove that.
@LoliHat

@matrix @LoliHat Communism doesn't mean perfect human coesion, but more than what we have now
@Spaghettimon @matrix

>coesion

If you meant "coercion", then yes.

Communism needs to be imposed, and that means imposing it by force. That forced imposing inevitably becomes its own reason for existence with "wreckers", "mensheviks", and "kulaks" always to blame for things not working out which justifies the power of the Nomenklatura.
@matrix Capitalism won't "fail", it will, and is already, obsolete

>communism is when community exists.
Communism is when community-centered organization

Remember that Marx didn't invent the word, merely gave his interpretation and build his ideology upon it

To this day there are non-marxist communists, such as Zizek

@Spaghettimon
You aren't countering my counter to capitalism, you are simply reasserting your original claim.

@matrix Because you didn't counter capitalism
You said that if it fails we will go to something worse
This is not countering it, but saying it's actually the best system possible

@Spaghettimon
I fucked up, I meant: You aren't countering my counter to your claim about capitalism

Yes, capitalism is the best. It is here and it's working good enough. Claiming that failure is inevitable and after the failure only something better can appear is simply a baseless assertion.

@matrix >Claiming that failure is inevitable
Never did, but that 's collapse is
It is a giant pyramid scheme after all, it's fall is just the system working to its end

>after the failure only something better can appear is simply a baseless assertion
I agree, worse things can come, namely, fascism, which aims for a reset to feudalism

@Spaghettimon
"I never said failure is inevitable but it is"

Fascism isn't reactionary, it doesn't want to return to feudalism. It's revolutionary.
youtu.be/eyxk320Btdc

@matrix I like that your source is just a youtube video lmao

Well, read Mussolini and Hitler

@Spaghettimon
I read their manifestos.
I just don't feel like typing it out right now and sfo articulates it better than I can.

@matrix I started to watch the video and I can see the guy haven't read anything left wing

A revolution can be reactionairy. Marx says so in the 30 page Communist Manifesto
@matrix
>uses dictionary and wikipedia for sources, not actual political theory
@matrix
>nazbols want a return to soviet
This guy is a retard that never read nazbol theory
@matrix
>unironically uses the political compass, which is completely unscientific

Yeah, I can't take this guy seriously
@Spaghettimon @matrix
Fascism doesn't seek to create a feudal society, but a blend of socialism and what I would call healthy capitalism where capital benefits greater society.
@prouddegenerate @matrix @WhiteTemplar Because it takes nothing out of me

I can do class, watch youtube, play games, watch anime and give a few seconds of my time when I see a notif
@Spaghettimon @matrix @prouddegenerate @WhiteTemplar
Broke: Multitasking
Woke: Octacore hyperthreading

in b4 i regret joining this thread, too.
@Spaghettimon @WhiteTemplar @matrix @prouddegenerate I'd like to point out that I've well and truly passed the point that I regret joining this thread. I blame my Jewish overlord Spag for his dastardly propaganda luring me in here
@WhiteTemplar @matrix I am not asking what Marx wrote, I am asking for a definition and you dont know any

"capital is when stuff"
Fr?
Lmao
You're a retard
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@WhiteTemplar @matrix Also if that's what you advocate, it's literally China rn
@Spaghettimon @matrix
I mean, I don't have much issue with China besides the fact that the Han Chinese are a race of filthy mutts who are corrupt to their very cores.
@Spaghettimon @matrix
Source for what? Them being mutts? Try reading any Chinese history books. Generations of getting conquered by Mongolians and the surrounding peoples diluted their bloodlines until you get the modern day Han Chinese that are nothing like their ancestors that made China famous. As for their corruption, this is a bridge in China made out of literal trash.
@WhiteTemplar @matrix You know this literally applies to every single person right

Or did the germanic peoples not breed with italians, nordics, brits and so on, didn't come from somewhere, didn't have the largest semitic populations of europe and thus have the largest amount of jewish blood

You're a retard f you think "race" has this much effect when in basically every continent everyone can be traced back to a single person usually ~500 years ago only
@Spaghettimon @matrix
Germanics, Italians, Nordics, Brits, etc are all White, all European, and are thus all racially similar. jews are a filthy mutt race who are most closely related to Turkroaches. But yes, race matters and you are full of shit with the 500 years ago thing.
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@Spaghettimon @matrix @WhiteTemplar The way contemporary people view race, especially whiteness, is absolutely dumb as fuck. Go back to the founding of the British colonies in north america as a german, and you weren't white. Fast forward a couple of hundred years and you're the ubermensch pinacle of white greatness. Race politics that look in that direction are garbage designed to create classes of people with more and less worth in society based on fucking n o t h i n g other than a fear of they themselves being on the bottom of the pile. Guess what, you're already there, and it has nothing to do with race, ethnicity, or skin color, and if you think any of that shit is relevant then you've been fed enough class warfare propaganda by the rich to think you're doing well.
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