@matrix I mean, Marx was speaking of that way back in the 1800s as a common tactic of capitalism
Never forget what the CEO said: "babies aren't that profitable", regarding the baby formula shortage
Never forget what the CEO said: "babies aren't that profitable", regarding the baby formula shortage
@Spaghettimon Well Marx and his followers/offshoots are basically conspiracy theorists so I guess
@matrix Capitalism is a giant pyramid scheme and is measurably on the decline since it started
Considering however the real meaning of conspiracy theory, yes
Not believing any is as stupid a believing every
Considering however the real meaning of conspiracy theory, yes
Not believing any is as stupid a believing every
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@Spaghettimon
I meant conspiracy theorist with negative connotation
Capitalism has been falling down since forever and yet it's lifted ton of people out of poverty and generally has improved the state of the world.
@Spaghettimon
Well yes, if capitalism falls, we revert to a more shittier world. Out of ashes does not often rise Phoenix.
You are now playing language games, communism is when community exists.
@matrix @Spaghettimon
The default of mankind is "nasty, brutish, and short", as Hobbes* would say.
*The English political philosopher, not the tiger
The default of mankind is "nasty, brutish, and short", as Hobbes* would say.
*The English political philosopher, not the tiger
@Spaghettimon @matrix
Times of peace and prosperity are rare. Trying to trash it to build something better is inherently foolish, moreso when it's built on ridiculous pseudo-religious nonsense.
Times of peace and prosperity are rare. Trying to trash it to build something better is inherently foolish, moreso when it's built on ridiculous pseudo-religious nonsense.
@Spaghettimon @matrix Maybe a better system might develop, but only organically and naturally... certainly not by "intelligent design".
@Spaghettimon
I'm sorry but you are literally retarded.
@Spaghettimon
Humans are a part of nature, evolved from animals and nature is nothing but cruelty.
Various charitable actions to improve ingroup cohesion and survival or wholesome big chungus 5 second ooc clips do not disprove that.
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@Spaghettimon
Read it again.
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@Spaghettimon @matrix
>coesion
If you meant "coercion", then yes.
Communism needs to be imposed, and that means imposing it by force. That forced imposing inevitably becomes its own reason for existence with "wreckers", "mensheviks", and "kulaks" always to blame for things not working out which justifies the power of the Nomenklatura.
>coesion
If you meant "coercion", then yes.
Communism needs to be imposed, and that means imposing it by force. That forced imposing inevitably becomes its own reason for existence with "wreckers", "mensheviks", and "kulaks" always to blame for things not working out which justifies the power of the Nomenklatura.
@matrix Capitalism won't "fail", it will, and is already, obsolete
>communism is when community exists.
Communism is when community-centered organization
Remember that Marx didn't invent the word, merely gave his interpretation and build his ideology upon it
To this day there are non-marxist communists, such as Zizek
>communism is when community exists.
Communism is when community-centered organization
Remember that Marx didn't invent the word, merely gave his interpretation and build his ideology upon it
To this day there are non-marxist communists, such as Zizek
@Spaghettimon
You aren't countering my counter to capitalism, you are simply reasserting your original claim.
@matrix Because you didn't counter capitalism
You said that if it fails we will go to something worse
This is not countering it, but saying it's actually the best system possible
You said that if it fails we will go to something worse
This is not countering it, but saying it's actually the best system possible
@Spaghettimon
I fucked up, I meant: You aren't countering my counter to your claim about capitalism
Yes, capitalism is the best. It is here and it's working good enough. Claiming that failure is inevitable and after the failure only something better can appear is simply a baseless assertion.
@matrix >Claiming that failure is inevitable
Never did, but that 's collapse is
It is a giant pyramid scheme after all, it's fall is just the system working to its end
>after the failure only something better can appear is simply a baseless assertion
I agree, worse things can come, namely, fascism, which aims for a reset to feudalism
Never did, but that 's collapse is
It is a giant pyramid scheme after all, it's fall is just the system working to its end
>after the failure only something better can appear is simply a baseless assertion
I agree, worse things can come, namely, fascism, which aims for a reset to feudalism
@Spaghettimon
"I never said failure is inevitable but it is"
Fascism isn't reactionary, it doesn't want to return to feudalism. It's revolutionary.
https://youtu.be/eyxk320Btdc
The Nature Of ProgressYouTube
@Spaghettimon
I read their manifestos.
I just don't feel like typing it out right now and sfo articulates it better than I can.
@matrix I started to watch the video and I can see the guy haven't read anything left wing
A revolution can be reactionairy. Marx says so in the 30 page Communist Manifesto
A revolution can be reactionairy. Marx says so in the 30 page Communist Manifesto
@matrix
>uses dictionary and wikipedia for sources, not actual political theory
>uses dictionary and wikipedia for sources, not actual political theory
@matrix
>unironically uses the political compass, which is completely unscientific
Yeah, I can't take this guy seriously
>unironically uses the political compass, which is completely unscientific
Yeah, I can't take this guy seriously
@Spaghettimon @matrix
Fascism doesn't seek to create a feudal society, but a blend of socialism and what I would call healthy capitalism where capital benefits greater society.
Fascism doesn't seek to create a feudal society, but a blend of socialism and what I would call healthy capitalism where capital benefits greater society.
@WhiteTemplar @matrix Do you know what is capital
@prouddegenerate @matrix @WhiteTemplar Because it takes nothing out of me
I can do class, watch youtube, play games, watch anime and give a few seconds of my time when I see a notif
I can do class, watch youtube, play games, watch anime and give a few seconds of my time when I see a notif
@Spaghettimon @matrix @prouddegenerate @WhiteTemplar
Broke: Multitasking
Woke: Octacore hyperthreading
in b4 i regret joining this thread, too.
Broke: Multitasking
Woke: Octacore hyperthreading
in b4 i regret joining this thread, too.
@Spaghettimon @WhiteTemplar @matrix @prouddegenerate I'd like to point out that I've well and truly passed the point that I regret joining this thread. I blame my Jewish overlord Spag for his dastardly propaganda luring me in here
@WhiteTemplar @matrix You literally don't know lmao
@WhiteTemplar @matrix I am not asking what Marx wrote, I am asking for a definition and you dont know any
"capital is when stuff"
Fr?
Lmao
You're a retard
"capital is when stuff"
Fr?
Lmao
You're a retard
@WhiteTemplar @matrix Define stuff and define money
Would a labour voucher, like in the system of Catalonia or in some areas of NEP Russia be money
If so, how so?
Would a labour voucher, like in the system of Catalonia or in some areas of NEP Russia be money
If so, how so?
@Spaghettimon @matrix
Stuff can range from things like tools, buildings, property, or other assets used in production.
Money is just a representation of value that can be exchanged for something else, whether that be an item or service.
Labor Vouchers are a form of money in my opinion, though they work slightly differently than let's say USD, but ultimately the idea behind them is to exchange them for something of actual value.
Stuff can range from things like tools, buildings, property, or other assets used in production.
Money is just a representation of value that can be exchanged for something else, whether that be an item or service.
Labor Vouchers are a form of money in my opinion, though they work slightly differently than let's say USD, but ultimately the idea behind them is to exchange them for something of actual value.
@WhiteTemplar @matrix
>Money is just a representation of value that can be exchanged for something else, whether that be an item or service
If I work for food, is work money?
>Money is just a representation of value that can be exchanged for something else, whether that be an item or service
If I work for food, is work money?
@Spaghettimon @matrix
No, because work has actual value, money is basically a social construct. We agree that this piece of mostly worthless paper or numbers in a database have value.
No, because work has actual value, money is basically a social construct. We agree that this piece of mostly worthless paper or numbers in a database have value.
@WhiteTemplar @matrix Also if that's what you advocate, it's literally China rn
@Spaghettimon @matrix
I mean, I don't have much issue with China besides the fact that the Han Chinese are a race of filthy mutts who are corrupt to their very cores.
I mean, I don't have much issue with China besides the fact that the Han Chinese are a race of filthy mutts who are corrupt to their very cores.
@Spaghettimon @matrix
Source for what? Them being mutts? Try reading any Chinese history books. Generations of getting conquered by Mongolians and the surrounding peoples diluted their bloodlines until you get the modern day Han Chinese that are nothing like their ancestors that made China famous. As for their corruption, this is a bridge in China made out of literal trash.
Source for what? Them being mutts? Try reading any Chinese history books. Generations of getting conquered by Mongolians and the surrounding peoples diluted their bloodlines until you get the modern day Han Chinese that are nothing like their ancestors that made China famous. As for their corruption, this is a bridge in China made out of literal trash.
@WhiteTemplar @matrix You know this literally applies to every single person right
Or did the germanic peoples not breed with italians, nordics, brits and so on, didn't come from somewhere, didn't have the largest semitic populations of europe and thus have the largest amount of jewish blood
You're a retard f you think "race" has this much effect when in basically every continent everyone can be traced back to a single person usually ~500 years ago only
Or did the germanic peoples not breed with italians, nordics, brits and so on, didn't come from somewhere, didn't have the largest semitic populations of europe and thus have the largest amount of jewish blood
You're a retard f you think "race" has this much effect when in basically every continent everyone can be traced back to a single person usually ~500 years ago only
@Spaghettimon @matrix
Germanics, Italians, Nordics, Brits, etc are all White, all European, and are thus all racially similar. jews are a filthy mutt race who are most closely related to Turkroaches. But yes, race matters and you are full of shit with the 500 years ago thing.
Germanics, Italians, Nordics, Brits, etc are all White, all European, and are thus all racially similar. jews are a filthy mutt race who are most closely related to Turkroaches. But yes, race matters and you are full of shit with the 500 years ago thing.
@WhiteTemplar @matrix You know Jews came from the middle east thousands of years ago and the turks came from China less than a single thousand years, right?
@Spaghettimon @matrix
The jews of old and modern day jews are two vastly different peoples, but in this case the history doesn't really tell you the full story of modern day jews. Genetically, modern day jews are basically an offshoot of Turks.
The jews of old and modern day jews are two vastly different peoples, but in this case the history doesn't really tell you the full story of modern day jews. Genetically, modern day jews are basically an offshoot of Turks.
Lenin said that "Imperialist capitalism is far less oppressive than the colonialist capitalism before it, and that far less oppressive than feudalism"
However, capitalism has its limits on how many it can lift from poverty, and the limit has already been reached
Such as old systems fell because they became obsolete, capitalism will fall for a more decentralized system, a community-based system (whether in the marxist sense or not) and that is, by deffinition, community-ism, communism