@kaniini
Wouldn't it be great to take money used for intervention and use it to properly run the VA system? 🙂

@realcaseyrollins yes, and the IHS.

@realcaseyrollins (also to be clear what the GOP platform is, is not conservatism. it's the same neoliberal crap the Democrats push except more transparently focused on big business and big money interests. real conservatism is advocacy for small government that takes the best ideas from across the spectrum to obtain the best possible outcomes.)

@kaniini EXACTLY!!! There are few distinguishing features of the #GOP, the #prolife cause and gun rights are literally the only things keeping me voting #GOP consistently.

@realcaseyrollins @kaniini GOP isn't really pro-life.

@mewmew @realcaseyrollins

well, I clarify that by saying they are anti-abortion. once the baby is delivered, they don't give a shit anymore.

@kaniini @realcaseyrollins GOP is anti-abortion as pure virtue signalling. if they actually wanted to reduce abortion, they would support better access to sex education, contraception, etc.

@mewmew @realcaseyrollins oh, definitely. it's just yet another form of grift.

@mewmew @kaniini @realcaseyrollins >nooo don't get abortions
>but we're going to make birth control not covered by health insurance
The politicians are just getting paid off by big pharma at this point. It's not even against the bible to get an abortion

@cirno @kaniini @realcaseyrollins well yeah. anti-abortion Christianity is also virtue signalling imo but that's another matter.

@mewmew @kaniini @realcaseyrollins Like 90% of Republicans claiming to fight for christian values have never read the book, they're only doing it to get the votes of actual worshippers (since they used to be the majority in america)

@cirno @realcaseyrollins @kaniini @mewmew exaggeration or do you think its actually as high as 90%?

@Locksmith @kaniini @mewmew @realcaseyrollins No, I deadass think it's 90%. I don't even think most go to church

@cirno
I mean I'm strongly anti-abortion (#prolife) but y'all make great points about the #GOP opposing contraception, esp. the religious right.

The fringer segments of the religious are particularly peculiar on this. They are against sex ed in schools, fine, but don't seem to be for parents actually teaching them valuable things about sex and the various ways it's done and protections. They want to ban abortion, which again is a laudable goal, but tell people "don't have sex" instead of steering them towards methods of birth control that don't kill a fetus (preventative birth control, I think it's called)! Like we aren't dang Catholics! Opposing all birth control is * not * biblical.
@mewmew @kaniini

@realcaseyrollins @cirno @mewmew

i think actual sex ed and universal contraception are preferable to abortion, but women must have the right to bodily autonomy. anything less is not true conservatism (because the State is restricting rights).

@kaniini @realcaseyrollins @cirno @mewmew Sorry for interrumpting your talk 😅. I personally think both are needed, sex education specially. Here in México things are not going well in abortion ways, for some reason people thinks that girls are going to abort two times a week or something.

@kaniini
That's total bull; ignoring the bodily autonomy argument (in regards to abortion), Conservatism restricts rights all the time. If you're going to provide ultimate rights and bodily autonomy for all, you would need either a libertarian or anarchist state.
@mewmew @cirno

@realcaseyrollins @mewmew @cirno

while it is arguable that an abortion violates the non-aggression principle toward the unborn fetus, the State is violating the non-aggression principle by encumbering the mother's bodily autonomy.

defense of an unborn child which is not sentient (childhood sentience in fact does not develop until age 2 or 3) would be imposition of the State based upon a values judgement.

that is a political position, but it is not a conservative one. all violations of the non-aggression principle are authoritarian in nature.

@kaniini @realcaseyrollins @mewmew >childhood sentience does not start until 2 or 3
I think that's an incredibly dangerous (and incorrect) line of thinking. I'd rather not normalize "post-birth" abortions. For me, any time during the first trimester is reasonable

@cirno @kaniini @realcaseyrollins in China they do forth trimester abortions

@mewmew @kaniini @realcaseyrollins lul

@mewmew @cirno @kaniini @realcaseyrollins That's literally infanticide.

@cirno @kaniini @mewmew @realcaseyrollins I'm still trying to abort myself at 21, is it too late?

@VentGrey @kaniini @mewmew @realcaseyrollins God wouldn't approve

@cirno @kaniini @mewmew @realcaseyrollins I don't need his approval

@cirno @mewmew @realcaseyrollins

neurologically speaking, a newborn is not yet sentient. the primary decision-making loop that enables sentience, the "default mode network" as it is called, is not fully established yet.

i agree that is not justification for changing laws relating to abortion -- like in all cases where the NAP is violated for one or more parties -- there must be regulatory balance to protect both parties.

@kaniini @mewmew @realcaseyrollins Even so, it varies from child to child. It's not something you can actually quantify. And I'd argue a baby being able to say "mama" counts as sentient in my book

@cirno @kaniini @realcaseyrollins I know some adults who are not sentient. e.g. Marco Rubio, that man is literally a robot

@cirno @mewmew @realcaseyrollins

you can make a dog come by shaking a box of dog treats, but that does not mean the dog is sentient.

sentience has a specific definition, and is dependent on feedback loops that *do not exist* in newborns. newborns spend most of their existence sleeping, building neurological feedback networks in the brain.

a dog cannot be sentient because they do not have a neocortex. similarly, a newborn is still developing the neocortex and related signaling paths at birth.

this, of course, does not mean that abortion access should be changed to allow post-birth euthanasia.

it does, however, mean that while a baby does have the ability to feel pain, it does not actually have the capacity to process pain in the way that children who have a fully established DMN do.

which means that the "pro life america" billboards are inaccurate.

@realcaseyrollins @cirno @kaniini yeah.

I don't like abortion either, hardly any Democrat does. However, making it illegal only makes it more dangerous, desperate people will still try to get them. Having the procedure be safe, legal, and rare is the goal here.

@mewmew @kaniini @realcaseyrollins Like seriously. Women don't get off to getting abortions or anything and it ruins their bodies and the odds of them having stillborns after skyrockets. If every teen could readily get birth control then even the horny dudes too scared to buy condoms wouldn't do shit when their pullout game is weak as fuck

@realcaseyrollins @kaniini To various degrees, both ‘sides’ are ultimately Statists. The only real difference is exactly which form and flavor the State takes in their ideal world

@wolfie @realcaseyrollins but that's the point, both have the same actual ideal world is one of a corporatocracy. the rest is PR.

@wolfie @realcaseyrollins corporatocracy is, incidentally, not compatible with true conservatism, as it undermines market freedom.

@kaniini @realcaseyrollins Oh, I don’t know, they do tend to have some minor differences in the precise form their ideal State takes. The anti-gun thing of the “left” vice the anti-… not sure what to call it. Not really sex thing but whatever one wants to call it.. on the “right” for instance

@wolfie @realcaseyrollins mostly trivial differences though. both are authoritarian regimes with corporations in control.

@kaniini @realcaseyrollins Hard to argue that

@realcaseyrollins @kaniini

Armed minorities are harder to oppress
#ShallNotBeInfringed #Protect2A

@kaniini @realcaseyrollins "I would believe that some of those chapters are either authcom terror cells or adjacent"

lmfao if you seriously think there are any remotely organized authcoms in the US, let alone """authcom terror cells""". there are a few tiny book clubs and some of them have their own newsletters.

this sounds like a bunch of anarchists got drunk with fox anchors and decided to team up on some regime change propaganda