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@lnxw37a2 @kaikatsu yeah I think so. But I think that training is constructed around what we think policing should be. If we changed police, training would change, and different people would be attracted to it. I don't know or care where the bullies will go to find jobs if they can't become a cop. I assume they'll still beat their wives in high numbers, only now would be held legally accountable for it.
@kaikatsu I have to admit that to a large extent American police are more hard core as a direct consequence of very brutal crime present in the USA. The ubiquity of firearms here also elevates the threat level of every encounter.
@moonman I don't really think there's an alternative to police aside from militia's or civilians upholding the law which would require every citizen to be willing to die for the political system which just isn't true.

I think America's shitty police are a result of the shitty culture and government. Cops in China are recorded 24/7 and HK protestors are just waiting for them to fuck up, so they really have to uphold the law properly.
@kaikatsu I'm not against exploring alternatives to police.

you want to hear something funny?

A couple months ago I was talking to some people, and mentioned that I had wondered "where do police get their legal authority?" and had studied state and national law and the origins of American police. Are police a fundamental part of government? Everyone looked at me like I was crazy. Now half that group are screaming "abolish the police!" People are fucking sheep.

If you think police officers will do a better job if you pay them less you're fooling yourself

That could possible complement my usual New User welcome message with important Guides links -- for someone who wants to understand what this new place is.

I loved the Guide on the first link, and it's still current and awesome 3 years after publishing.

Hello, and welcome to Qoto.

Enjoy the network and all it has to offer. If you are new to using Mastodon, there's a good guide here: lifehacker.com/a-beginner-s-gu

We also have another new users guide, posted here : write.tedomum.net/rgx/suggesti

Casey Rollins made a video to explain the Fediverse, here :

"I made this video awhile back to help explain how the #Fediverse works."

bitchute.com/video/XOtRcgIdqih

or : invidio.us/yBRrqbRQ3tM or : youtu.be/yBRrqbRQ3tM

Video credit to @realcaseyrollins -- a good friend.

#NewUser #newusers #welcome #QotoJournal #fediverse

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I am not one for posting Videos, but it's on topic and could help new users. so why not?

Suggested to me just now :

youtube.com/watch?v=IPSbNdBmWK

You have just been beaten for standing in the way of lawlessness during a riot. What are you? 

Black and blue.

@IronMan

Fair no not everyone. But we have an encvironment where its the only issue really being discussed. When someone comes along and tries to bring up the greater picture by talking about "Every Life" rather than just black lives you get people getting mad and attacking rather than discussing the bigger picture.

So no not everyone, but the point is the way in which these dialogues take place and the exclusion of the bigger picture embodied by talking about "every life" is ultimately why we have a failure to fix it after decades of trying.

@stux

@realcaseyrollins

My point is if all you keep doing is sending people with both legs shot to the hospital and not address the bigger problem the end result is an endless stream of people getting shot. The ones with two shots get help (sometimes) and the ones with one shot keep dying. You dont solve the problem until you address the root cause, which you cant do unless you achknowledge both groups are getting shot.

The point is, you dont solve problems by having tunnel vision. The issue in the police force has less to do with racism and more to do with the fact that it creates an environment where cruelty can thrive. Racism is just one sort of popular cruelty that thrives in that context.

What everyone thinks is the problem is racism (and yes its real and a big problem).. what the actual problem is that cops are above the law, and being above the law means cruelty thrives, that means racism, just as much as cruelty against a white dude (which is 50% of those who are unarmed and killed).

You address the accountability problem and you eliminate the ability for racism to thrive, problem solve. You try to eliminate just the racism you only solve 25% of the problem and, well, its a much harder problem to solve as well.

@stux @IronMan

@stux

Thats seems so overly simplistic as to miss the real point in my view.

There is a comic that I think came close to a good example...

One guy (representing blacks) has both legs shot and is bleeding to death and he is being dragged to the hospital. Another guy has just one leg shot and is also bleeding to death (representing non-blacks).. The guy with just one leg show out goes "You're going to help me too" and everyone looks at him with disgust.

To me focusing just on BLM (which should have a significant voice btw and not ignored) is the equivalent of helping just the guy with two legs shot out and ignore the other guy. However saying "Every Life Matters" is more a kin to trying to stop violent shooters directly. It fixes the problem for the black community but addresses the problem for everyone else at the same time. The only real way to see any meaningful results.

You cant solve problems that effects everyone by having tunnel vision for only one aspect of the problem.

@IronMan @realcaseyrollins

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