@wrongthink @xianc78 Oh right, one thing I forgot is that the UNIX trannies use things like (usually self-hosted) XMPP servers to communicate with each other, while the right leaning folks are using things like Telegram.

Which is why I'm so lonely in chat rooms...

Also, most of the right leaning folks tend to be boomers, while the left leaning folks are typically millenials.
Millenials grew up with tech, have seen tech evolve as they grew up.
Boomers on the other hand generally tend to refuse to understand tech, so of course the left is going to spend years tinkering in software.

@ryo @wrongthink Telegram is especially egregious because I've heard that many agorists are doing counter-economic trading on there of all places. I better hope that these people signed up using burner phones because God knows if Telegram will start reporting shit to the IRS (or their nation's equivalent).

>Also, most of the right leaning folks tend to be boomers, while the left leaning folks are typically millenials.
Well, I have no sympathy for the boomercons and MAGAtards. They keep on falling for shitty scams but they never learn. They only hear about these alt-tech platforms because their favorite AM radio host mentions it (the talk show host my conservative dad listens to constantly shills Rumble as THE free speech platform), but I expect more from the younger "dissident right" crowd, but it seems like they don't know much about tech outside of video production and building/upgrading gaming PCs. The closest thing to self-hosting they could ever do is run a Minecraft server.

@xianc78 @ryo >but I expect more from the younger “dissident right” crowd, but it seems like they don’t know much about tech outside of video production and building/upgrading gaming PCs.

I have a whole rant on PC gamer hypocrisy. I really should get around to linking my site to this fedi profile.

@wrongthink @xianc78 Yes please!
The more self hosted personal sites there are, the better.
Too many websoytes these days are bloated corporate soytes loaded with JavaScript, ads, trackers, and all the other bullshit...

@xianc78 @ryo k it’s correlated now https://wrongthink.neocities.org/article/pc_gamer_hypocrisy.html

@wrongthink @ryo You should also bring up how many PC gamers have all of their games on Steam (some won't even play games that aren't on it) which defeats the purpose of having an open platform.

@wrongthink @xianc78 Would be nice if you'd have RSS feeds, pretty interesting articles you have there.
And maybe a more eye-friendly theme, but I can view your website perfectly fine in the Lynx browser, so that's fine.

@wrongthink
@xianc78 @ryo
Add in about how PC gamers forgot about their anti-DRM crusade or gave up on it when steam won. PC gamer removed the DRM listing for new PC games and Reclaim Your Game shutdown as the new owner admitted nobody cared.

https://archive.ph/qJDPP

@PhenomX6 @wrongthink @ryo How many of them realize that Steam is by definition DRM?

@PhenomX6 @xianc78 @ryo I'll add it to the plans to rewrite parts since the site hasn't been touched since the new year. >But simply put, most gamers just don't care anymore, they just buy up the games they want, even when they know they have issues... How do you fight that? How do you fix that? How do you help with that? How do you help people who just don't care? This is exactly the conclusion I've come to, not just about games, but tech in general. Most people are going to use locked down phones as their primary device soon. Don't try to help the cattle out of their chute, just focus on not getting trampled in the stampede.

@wrongthink @xianc78 @ryo I think worth noting too is why there was the "buy a PC" craze popping up: it was three things. E-celebs shilling it (like Yahtzee, remember him?), TF2 going F2P, and Minecraft. The second one was massive because there was a huge market for TF2 memes at the time and every broke kid who didn't know about piracy (fat Americans who bought into propaganda unironically) would download F2P games.

@PhenomX6 @wrongthink @ryo The rising popularity in gaming channels has also contributed to this because it's simply easier to record let's plays of PC games than console games. And you had a lot of LP-bait games like Slender and Happy Wheels which made people want to try them.

@xianc78 @wrongthink Well, I'm LibRight, and I understand technology as much as LibLeft does.
I think I at one point even said that when it comes to technology, I'd side with the LibLeft, otherwise I'm LibRight.

Always annoying how they keep going like "REEEE!! I GOT BANNED FROM BIG TECH!! FOLLOW ME ON THIS WHOLE LIST OF ALT TECH PLATFORMS THAT ARE UNDER A WATCHFUL EYE OF BIG TECH!!".
I went to these platforms under sockpuppet accounts, I kept recommending them to just set up their own Fedi instances, websites, mail servers, XMPP servers, and whatnot, and all I got in return was "TEEHEE!! How do you think we would ever attract an audience on self hosted garbage!? LULZ!!".
So at one point I just gave up on them, deleted my accounts from these platforms, and decided I'd just go my own way instead.

Also, MAGAtards are just AuthRight, as they actually believe in a system of government unlike the entire libertarian side which is all about having no government at all.

@ryo @wrongthink
>all I got in return was "TEEHEE!! How do you think we would ever attract an audience on self hosted garbage!? LULZ!!".
That's why you host exclusive content on there. Styxhexenhammer, despite being a total retard and unworthy of the "libertarian" label, hosts bonus videos exclusively on his alt-tech accounts. Just do the same but on your own site.

But when they do have their own sites, it's always some shitty WordPress, Wix, or Squarespace garbage with Big Tech APIs (I think most Wordpress themes have them) and it's usually just links and/or a front-end for their merch store. For the love of God, HTML isn't that hard. You can even download HTML+CSS templates (just check for any Big Tech JS/CSS). You're not writing a program, you're just hosting document files on a computer connected to the internet. Unless you're also making a back-end for the site, it's not that complicated.

>Also, MAGAtards are just AuthRight

I know, but my point is is that everyone who wants to host content should try to self-host, regardless of political ideology.

@xianc78 @wrongthink Having your own website just as a way to post soycial media links to and have a merch store is really a waste of server space to be honest.
The point of having a website is that it's as censorship resistant as you can get, so we should have seen things like "Here is my article on my website, this is what I have to say" on SNS.
Instead they do it like "here's a JewTube embed, don't forget to follow me on all the alt tech platforms while I'll continue to use JewTube as the sole platform I'm actually active on myself TEEHEE".

@ryo
@wrongthink @xianc78
Just use linktree or carrd if you're going to be a slave to the system tbh instead of spending money and server space for "here's my social media pages".

@PhenomX6 @wrongthink @xianc78 Linktree bans people over "controversial" stuff (whatever it might mean to them), so maybe Cointree would be a better platform for them.
But boomers gonna boom...

@PhenomX6 @wrongthink @ryo You can just list your links on a pastebin or on txti.es if you want to be that simple. I know a lot of them have those kind of sites because they purchased a custom domain for business emails and they decided that they might as well have a website too but don't know what to put on there so they just put links to all their profiles.

@ryo @wrongthink @xianc78 "Yeah my website is nothing but HTML/CSS, here's my FEDIVERSE broseph"
>My own website is a work in progress

@ryo @xianc78 @wrongthink Fascist in the streets, crypto anarchist in the clicks!

@MechaSilvio @ryo @xianc78 @wrongthink also, there is a whole infrastructure with urbit and thats libright, essentially.

@xianc78 @ryo @wrongthink
Running a small pleroma instance is not that different from running a minecraft instance, you just follow the guide :p

@neo @wrongthink @ryo Yeah, but I don't think you can run a Pleroma server on Windows.

@xianc78 @neo @wrongthink @ryo You probably could with WSL now.

@PhenomX6 @wrongthink @xianc78 @ryo I wouldn't risk it without a WSL specific guide, since they do a lot of nonsense.

For one thing, they often do not create /run/user/1000

@xianc78 @neo @wrongthink Even if you could, they probably wouldn't even know how to even open Pleroma up in the browser though.

@wrongthink @ryo Well the hacker community has always been pretty left-leaning and the FOSS movement has only solidified that (even though FOSS is also compatible with free-market principles). Even though there are companies who made profit out of it, the FOSS movement is still largely grassroots and grassroots activism is what LibLeft ideologies are supposed to be about, even though many people who claim to be anarcho-communist (or similar) these days tend to suck more government and corpo cock than anyone else.

@xianc78 @wrongthink LibLeft and LibRight should be compatible with one other only if both sides had a more spread out age group.
I'm sure both sides would benefit from each other.
It's not like AuthLeft and AuthRight that not only are inherently incompatible with one other, the gap between these 2 keeps on growing and growing every single day.

@ryo @wrongthink Ancoms (and other left-libertarians) are free to use property to start communes under an ancap society but when I tried to explain this to them, they always tell me that their ideology needs to be a global thing, but I've met some left-libertarians who are more open to the idea of a libertarian unity.

@ryo @xianc78 I would expect AuthX to naturally gravitate toward centralized proprietary things while LibX naturally to decentralized libre things. And, since with centralized crap only one group can truly hold the ring of power™, we’re just seeing the fallout from auth right not being able to wrestle control away from auth left.

@xianc78 @wrongthink @ryo There's some exceptions. Weev either is one, or he's some CIA triple-agent planted there to discredit the far-right depending on who you ask.

What I do know is that he did straight up say that glowies (especially the ones hiding behind leftism) aren't your friends if you're a hacker or similar type.
https://web.archive.org/web/20181022080741/http://weev.net/eyeballing-jackie-stokes-and-the-fed-campaign-against-hacker-freedom/

On one hand Weev was given a free pass for a long period of time, but on the other hand he starfucked a lot of people. No really. The minute Weevs ties with the stormer were really thrown into the limelight with CVille, suddenly knowing him was no longer something one could just write off.

Three examples of people who knew Weev aside from Jackie Stokes were Shanley Kane, Quinn Norton, and Sarah Jeong. All three were journalists or would become journalists and had leftist political views later on.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2015/01/17/i-taught-shanley-kane-how-to-troll-and-im-sincerely-sorry/
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/02/who-is-weev/553295/
https://dailycaller.com/2018/02/14/new-york-times-fires-norton-weev/
https://dailycaller.com/2018/08/02/new-york-times-weev-sarah-jeong-hacker/
https://archive.ph/4j751

There just aren't a lot of them because like I said, demographics. A lot of the Fox News right were boomers, hence the nickname one site had for them: "boomercons". Now a lot of it is trying to conform to the cultural orthodoxy of the mainstream walled garden internet.

@PhenomX6 @ryo That and as I mentioned earlier, the FOSS community and the *nix community already has that left-leaning culture to it. They probably got their politics from them.

Most of the younger (tech-literate) authright/libright probably grew up with Windows and were most likely either apolitical or centrists during their youth. They probably screwed around with programs like RPG Maker or Flash during middle school, maybe took a few web design and programming classes in high school, and either majored in IT, Computer Science, or Computer Engineering in college or got an IT certification (assuming they had a post high school education). They probably got more into politics during GamerGate, the 2016 elections, and similar events going on at that time. This was basically the case with me, at least.

Windows isn't much of a tinkering OS compared to the many Unix-like operating systems, so they aren't as tech-savvy as the Unix trannies. They probably never bothered messing around with server-shit outside of gaming servers and any webdev experience was probably done on some shared-host. So when they finally start making some freeze-peach site, they just slapped some PHP code together and host it on AWS. That or they pay some free-lancer soydev to do it or just use some existing software out there while poorly maintaining it.

@xianc78 @PhenomX6
> they just slapped some PHP code together and host it on AWS
With some bloated framework, because they don't even know how to make PHP code the right way.
And then the developers of that framework quit, and all hell breaks loose for them...