@vriska @xianc78
An ancap walks into a bar. The bartender says: sorry we don't serve alcohol to minors. :laugh-about-it:

@dushman @vriska History says otherwise.

http://www.ozarkia.net/bill/anarchism/faq.html#part17

@xianc78 @vriska
I'm not clicking that :chad2:

@dushman @vriska
>I'm going to bury my head in the sand and ignore what the other person is saying.

@xianc78 @vriska
You said nothing, just posted a link. Have some creativity if that's not beyond your cognitive capacity. ​:osaka-chair:

@xianc78 @vriska
Write your own arguments :laugh-about-it:

@dushman @vriska Gaelic Ireland, the Iceland Commonwealth, Bronze Age India, and The American Wild West are examples of historical societies that were basically anarcho-capitalist. Some have even lasted longer than the US.

@xianc78 @vriska
>societies that were basically anarcho-capitalist

Good one bud :laugh-about-it:

@xianc78 @vriska
cc @meso
Look at this guy lol

@xianc78 @vriska
>societies that were basically anarcho-capitalist

Literally how?

@xianc78 @vriska
Those societies ended long before capitalism even formed

@vriska @xianc78
They lived under completely different material conditions than we do. No industry, much smaller population, no banking, no stock market, so on.

@dushman @vriska And you think anarcho-communism (or any other form of left-anarchism) would be any different?

@dushman @vriska Capitalism as in the voluntary exchange of goods and services. These societies were stateless with some even having privatized courts and security (in the case of Ireland and Iceland). Bronze Age India had large cities with infrastructure funded by merchants. The towns in the American Old West were built on private infrastructure, including the security.

@xianc78 @vriska
>Capitalism as in the voluntary exchange of goods and services
That's a bit reductive and doesn't really encompass other fundamentals it rests upon

@dushman @xianc78
>voluntary
hah

@xianc78 @vriska
Also you need a state to enforce private property
cc @nyx

@dushman @vriska @nyx As I have already demonstrated, history proves otherwise.

@xianc78 @vriska @nyx
Some guy trading camels during the bronze age isn't the same as a modern transnational corporation. You're talking about wildly different material conditions here.

@xianc78 @nyx @vriska
Also the American West was still under government control, what are you on about?

@dushman @vriska @nyx Officially they were still under government control, but given the distance between them and the government, it might as well be anarcho-capitalist.

@xianc78 @vriska @nyx
They still had local governmental bodies. It wasn't just completely left to its own devices.

@dushman @xianc78 @vriska the so-called United States also only ever had a west to expand to by stealing land from indigenous peoples and then genociding them. but lolbertardians are totally not unprincipled ideologue kleptocrats. muh NAP!!

@nyx @xianc78 @vriska
True that also. What about the "NAP" of the natives whose lands got conquered?

worse: got fucked by europeans (literally)

@PhenomX6 @xianc78 @vriska @nyx
:marseyitsover:

@PhenomX6 @dushman @xianc78 @nyx fate worse than death

@vriska @PhenomX6 @xianc78 @nyx
They were done dirty

literally what happened to the aztecs and the like (not a joke).

@dushman @vriska @nyx Innovations like 3D printing might allow us to return to decentralized cottage industries.

@dushman @xianc78 @vriska capitalists are always telling commies to learn basic economics because they never got to advanced (Marxist) economics and don't understand how their own system works because they're midwit ideologues

@nyx @dushman @xianc78 @vriska almost everybody is wrong about economics

@Arcana @xianc78 @vriska @nyx
Why did marx have to invent capitalism smh

@dushman @xianc78 @vriska @nyx actually it was the Dutch, Marx invented immigrating to Britain

@Arcana @xianc78 @vriska @nyx
He was Engels' neet femboy bf

@dushman @xianc78 @vriska @nyx real

Also Engels has such a silly name when translated into the common tongue

“Fred English”

We can’t allow Fred English to have a say in our economic science

@Arcana @xianc78 @vriska @nyx
>Fred English
​💀

@dushman @Arcana @xianc78 @nyx Jake English

@nyx @xianc78 @vriska
So true bestie 💯

@dushman @xianc78 @vriska >Capitalism as in the voluntary exchange of goods and services
he doesnt know

@meso @dushman @vriska Last time we argued, you thought that libertarians were in favor of central banking. You have no place to judge.

@xianc78 @dushman @vriska Central banking is the voluntary exchange of goods and services cry about it

@meso @xianc78 @vriska @Arcana
Voluntarily exchanging crack for the servcies of a child soldier army

@meso @xianc78 @vriska
>ancap
>uses pedophile instance
:marseythonk: checks out

@dushman @meso @vriska I'M NOT A PEDO!!! I've been on this instance long before the influx of pedophiles on here. I've joined this instance in particular because I'm also a gamedev and like to post my progress.

@xianc78 @dushman @vriska Bronze Age India was not stateless. There were republics called Janpaths. The leaders of these republics formed councils called Parishad for decision making.

@abhijith @xianc78 @vriska
Interesting. Didn't say anything about that since I don't know much about ancient Indian history.

@abhijith @dushman @vriska Okay, maybe not all of it but the Harappan civilization that existed there certainly was. There didn't appear to be any capital and law was decentralized.

http://www.ozarkia.net/bill/anarchism/library/Harappa.html

@xianc78 @dushman @vriska Probably, but there are degrees to decentralization. There existed inequality in Harappan civilization to the extend that people were deprived from rights to basic health and safety. Is it possible to establish such systematic discrimination in an anarchist society? It must be this inequality that inspired the caste system of later cultures which is still followed today.