xianc78 @xianc78@gameliberty.club

@rasterman Karma doesn't play nice to people who post things like that.

@rasterman You clearly don't understand the difference between a state and a voluntary association of property owners.

>Get in a heated argument with someone about historical societies that may or may not have been anarcho-capititalist
>Statist points out that people had to pay a fee just to participate and that there were councils, so they must actually be states
>I point out how the only penalty for not paying was being denied service by businesses owned by the council and that the council was NOT a monopoly on force
>Get called a "LARPing troll" because this guy clearly can't tell the difference between a state and a voluntary association of property owners

I'm tired of getting into shitty arguments with statists.

@rasterman It's another example of an early form of a covenant community. A covenant community is not a state because it's voluntary. You choose to live there like choosing to live in a gated community, trailer park, or apartment complex. A state on the other hand claims land by force. Not paying the fee meant that businesses would no longer associate with you. That's not a state, that's just voluntary association.

@ItsSkyDragonz I think there were a few test runs in some European towns but I forget which ones. I think Oxford UK was talking about it, but given that people were destroying the 15-minute-city barriers I have some hope.

There should be MASS civil disobedience when this happens. Seriously, let's not cuck out like what most of us did during the COVID lockdowns.

https://web.archive.org/web/20230802084456/https://thepeoplesvoice.tv/klaus-schwabs-daughter-permanent-climate-lockdowns-coming-whether-you-like-it-or-not/

@rasterman Cospaia in particular had no government, taxes, police, or prisons, and lasted for almost 400 years with a booming economy thanks to it's tobacco production which was banned everywhere else. It was as developed as neighboring societies at the time. It was the longest lived, stateless, capitalist society in the western world.

@rasterman
>Early agrarian societies had a subsistence economy, nothing like capitalism.

Hunter-gatherer societies were subsistence, not neolithic societies. Population grew exponentially so people slowly moved to a barter based society during that time.

Also, I'm not a LARPer. I post gamedev stuff in addition to my libertarian preaching. Hachi, on the other hand, constantly whines about "trans genocide".

@rasterman The point of the article was to prove that voluntary social order can work. They used statist terms like "government", but the society operated like a home owner's association.

Also, how did you think early agricultural civilizations operated? They were stateless and people voluntarily bartered crops and services.

@rasterman Mises was saying that it operated more like a home owner's association or covenant community than a nation-state, so it's kind of like what the Hoppeans want. Also laws were just moral traditions instead of being written on paper, kind of like natural law.

If you want better examples you also have the American Old West, Celtic Ireland, the Icelandic Commonwealth, and Cospaia.

https://mises.org/library/not-so-wild-wild-west

https://peacerequiresanarchy.wordpress.com/2012/12/30/stateless-societies-ancient-ireland/

http://www.daviddfriedman.com/Academic/Iceland/Iceland.html

https://mises.org/power-market/republic-cospaia-anarchist-renaissance-city

@rasterman https://mises.org/wire/coto-mixto-anarchy-galicia

@sjw Oh wait! She's still alive?