@LodedDiaper
Nice wall of text you've got there.
Would be a shame if I responded with gender == sex

@LukeAlmighty I basically saying only sex exists. Gender is fake.

@LodedDiaper
Only cars exist, 4 wheeled motorized vehicles with a roof are fake.

@LukeAlmighty This is essentially semantic.

@LodedDiaper
No, it's strategy.

@LukeAlmighty ?

@LodedDiaper
Last 20 fucking steps the left had done were by re-defining language.

Refuse to use their language. Take their words, and use them correctly. Troons hit a wall with woman, because feminist weren't willing to bend the knee on woman.

But we did bend on racism, gender, diversity, inclusion and equality. So, I say it's time to be a grammar nazi.

@LukeAlmighty So again, it's sematic. If gender == sex, then is gender is a redundant term, and we can just use sex. I don't a reason to use "gender" unless wanted to make a gender and sex separate.

@LodedDiaper
Nah. We have many redundant terms,.
Ape
Boogie
Coon
Houtkop
mutt
Nig
Spook

There's no reason to stick with only nigger

@LukeAlmighty @LodedDiaper The question is if "gender" is even salvageable at this point. I do think the word has more going for it than "racism" (throw that shit right in the trash, we don't need a smear word for perfectly natural and healthy in-group preference) or "cisgender", and I like having another word for sex that isn't so easily confused with the act of fucking, but that's really its only legitimate role. If sex and gender aren't completely interchangeable, "gender" belongs in the trash along with retarded garbage like "homophobia" and "transmisogyny".

@ChristiJunior @LodedDiaper
Yeah, I know, it's not salvagable, when even poasters got used to defending it.

But at that point, if we cannot get to the point, where we're willing to defend language, we're just fucked.

@ChristiJunior @LodedDiaper
So, I take it as a prime example of a lost battle to point WHAT NOT TO DO next time.

@ChristiJunior @LodedDiaper
We literally used to laugh at the line, and now, I have so called right wingers repeating it.

That is a fucking definition of failure.

@LukeAlmighty @ChristiJunior If makes you happy then abolish the concept of a "social construct" is what i mean.

@LodedDiaper @ChristiJunior @LukeAlmighty that is 100% not what this graph means though

@beardalaxy @ChristiJunior @LukeAlmighty There was a graph i filled out blue was sure and orange depends on the context. In the context of "abolish gender" i was referring to abolishing the concept of mental "gender". I didn't elaborate on in the initial post and it became a semantics debate. I this point i don't care about the term as much as the concept.

@LodedDiaper @ChristiJunior @beardalaxy
Oh, sorry :D
since my original question was yesterday, I didn't realize the entire debate was triggered by it.

@LukeAlmighty @ChristiJunior @beardalaxy ehh it's whatever.

@LodedDiaper @ChristiJunior @beardalaxy
Yes, but it is the reason, why I responded by jokes etc, instead of just "ok".

That was not a measured response to a requested question.

@LodedDiaper @ChristiJunior @beardalaxy
So, I'm sorry. That was not fair from my side.

@ChristiJunior @LodedDiaper @LukeAlmighty "cisgender" was literally made up by tumblrites in the 10s

@merchantHelios @ChristiJunior @LukeAlmighty We should refer to people who don't get plastic surgery as "cisbody".

@LodedDiaper @ChristiJunior @merchantHelios
kill yourself

@LukeAlmighty @ChristiJunior @merchantHelios Do actually believe that was a sincere statement?

@LodedDiaper @ChristiJunior @merchantHelios
I believe, that someone could read it honestly. And that is bad enough.

@LukeAlmighty @ChristiJunior @merchantHelios Poe's law i guess.

@LodedDiaper @ChristiJunior @merchantHelios
No.
It's worse. The progressives have gone beyond our parodies many times before.

It's not poe's law, if you know we're going to reach that point eventually.

@LodedDiaper @ChristiJunior @merchantHelios
Exibit A:

@LodedDiaper @ChristiJunior @LukeAlmighty @merchantHelios Or just refer to them as people.

tumblr radicalized so many young people, no one really knows, and it drives me up the wall.

Which is why the zit was popped to infect everything else

It's crazy when you come across posts from before 2014 related to a tumblr-moment observed in the wild. So many people seem to sound semi normal regarding them back then. They saw what was going on, realized these are fringe people, but also the consequences of them getting their ways. The comical problem is that they didn't do anything to stop them. They just sort of assumed that they would stay fringe or would be stopped... somehow. Sort of like a man with an auto immune disease not bothering to ever wash his hands.

People are irrational, the best argument rarely wins them over as a group, and they'll easily go along with the stupidest things imaginable if it helps them avoid getting into trouble.

@ChristiJunior

Gender is a linguistic concept for languages like German and Spanish. It was always obvious bullshit when they started trying to use it to differentiate from biological reality. We should have been burning them at the stake the second they tried it

@LodedDiaper @LukeAlmighty

@ChristiJunior @LukeAlmighty @LodedDiaper Gender shouldn't even be on anyones personality list. It's like being proud that you like broccoli or I identify as a coffee pot. That's all highly personal and should be an outward presenting thing, not a 'oh please acknowledge what i believe myself to be' sort of thing. That's a losing proposition and it's the biggest disservice modern psychology has made and it has failed everyone into mollycoddling over-sensitive people instead of placing importance on self-belief and sufficiency.

Which brings me to another point, and an inconvenient truth and that is the need for outside validation means that the person does not believe in their own self image enough themselves. If you tell an actual woman or man that they're not a woman or man, they'll just laugh you off, but because the response is to cry and behave that the world has just ended shows there's a schism and incongruency in ones own self image and instead of putting the onus on themselves, they're demanding others and society fix it, which is impossible, and insane.

@LukeAlmighty @LodedDiaper Even if you're going to argue that mental gender can't be different from biological sex and must be in line, it's undeniable that they're separate concepts. Opposing transgenders by claiming gender does exist but that it's identical to sex is just retarded and only helps to support their arguments against you. The words are not synonymous and never have been, transphobes who insist gender is just sex only make themselves look like ignorant retards who know neither the history nor meaning of the terms, by entrenching themselves in an objectively incorrect losing position.

@galena @LodedDiaper

@LukeAlmighty @LodedDiaper @LukeAlmighty Interesting. But wasn't gender created as an linguistic term which described the "gender" of the word while "sex" remained the physical trait?

@phnt @LodedDiaper
No, they used the term "gender role" that was equivalent in meaning to "sex role"... becouse, obviousy it was, since gender and sex were the same.

@LukeAlmighty @LodedDiaper Wikipedia says otherwise, but that shouldn't be trusted entirely.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender#History_of_the_concept

@phnt @LukeAlmighty Actually yes, i was referring to the physiological use, but it started linguistically. It's less about the word gender, but the concept it's use to describe.