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@dave
They also didn't find any signs of strangulation on the first autopsy and they had to redo it just to make something up.
Let's not fucking pretend you can do potent drugs over and over again without it having consequences on your body. Let's not pretend they don't wear your body over time to where there's no way of knowing when something gives up. Let's not pretend that every time you take overdose amounts of drugs, and you're lucky enough to survive, that somehow means your body is as good as new as soon as it all leaves your system.
Don't be that person.
@dave
There's a reason the "don't do meth" memes exist. Strong drugs have lasting effects on your body. Just because you survive what should be overdoses over and over again, doesn't mean your body is in tip top shape.
@dave
So your argument is "he's guilty because he didn't provide medical help". He's a fucking cop, dealing with a criminal that just lied to them. Why the fuck should they have trusted him? Besides, Floyd was the one resisting arrest, and saying "take me out of the car". The cops did! What were they supposed to do after? Let him run away? They were barely restraining him as it is. Maybe you 'Muricans have it too good, and never had to kneel, but I remember when I saw the video thinking "he's clearly barely putting ANY real weight on the guy, this is open and shut". But somehow all of you don't seem to understand how the weight distribution would have worked.
@dave
The funniest thing is you literally have a court decision recently that states COPS ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO PROVIDE ASSISTANCE! The funniest shit!
@dave
Even by this most moronic take, you have a court that basically says DEREK CHAUVIN DID NOTHING WRONG.
@dave
Fun fact: did you know you have the sensation of "I can't breath" if your heart is failing and isn't supplying your body with enough oxygenated air. Now I wonder if an autopsy might have found by any change that George Floyd's heart was fucked up....
Chauvin wasn't choking anyone. Stop being stupid, please. Go kneel on something unstable, and see on which foot you're gonna put your weight on so you don't loose balance. Hint: it's gonna be on the foot that is on the ground.
@dave
you can have the sensation*
@dave
Then you're stupid, because literally the first autopsy clearly stated he wasn't choked. And if you had any comprehension of the weight distribution of the human body in a kneeling position, you'd know Chauvin didn't have enough weight in that to choke anything.
But as was brought up in trial and acknowledged as true by the defense's own expert witness, there will be no evidence of asphyxial trauma in many of these cases, because the pressure on the neck is so widely distributed.
The autopsy never concluded that "he wasn't choked". You fell for fake news if you believe it did.
@dave
There's no trauma because there was nothing to have trauma over. It's lunacy to claim he had his airways shut with no trauma. Don't be stupid. PLEASE.
@dave
You know what, I don't care. Go venerate George Floyd like the rest of them. Pray at his statutes or whatever. I don't care anymore. I'm done, I'm out.
the first question people should ask is why 6 million? it's always that number which is most important to believe. but people have zero curiosity about it.
@Ok123 @dave
>There weren't 6 million jews in Russia.
You counted them?
>New York Times printed in 1906 that 6 million jews were being 'systematically exterminated'
The New York Times printed no such thing. It printed that a guy left Russia convinced the Russian government was studying a policy of extermination. Even if we take the conviction as justified, we're still left with a potential policy, not a report of actual extermination. Learn to read.
> (which you will admit was false in 1906)
Don't tell me what I will or won't admit, or this discussion is over.
>is in line with a history of false accusations of extermination made by jews against Germany, Russia, the Soviet Union, Poland, Ukraine and other countries.
Or is in line with a history of fucked up things a lot of countries always did to it's ethnic minorities.
>Why did the New York Times print that in 1906?
Because apparently someone went to Russia, and was convinced that their government were considering Hitler's solution before he did. If anything this proves Hitler plagiarized. And people say he did nothing wrong... clearly we can add intellectual theft on top of it all.
@EverySingleTIme @dave @Ok123
>quite atrocious for you to talk about russia in this way
>they were literally all the pioneers of communism that spread it world wide
And my country was among the ones under the oppression of Soviet Russia's communism. Not sure what you mean by saying that about me, and I'm not sure how I should talk about Russia so it isn't atrocious.
"The Russian Imperial Census of 1897 was the first and only census performed in the Russian Empire (the Grand Duchy of Finland was excluded). It recorded demographic data as of 28 January [O.S. 15 January] 1897. The second Russian Census was scheduled for December 1915, but was cancelled because of World War I, which had begun during 1914.[1] It was not rescheduled before the Russian Revolution. The next census in Russia only occurred at the end of 1926, almost three decades later." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Empire_Census
It reported that only 5.2 million jews were within the Russian Empire.
>Don't tell me what I will or won't admit, or this discussion is over.
I can see why you would be eager to get out. If you do believe in the 1906ocaust please prove it to me or you're a 1906ocaust denier and you will lose your job.
>Or is in line with a history of fucked up things a lot of countries always did to it's ethnic minorities.
So you are saying that Poland, Ukraine, the Russian Empire, Kaiser Wilhem's Germany, and the Soviet Union all exterminated millions of jews as claimed in the papers during that time period?
archive.org/details/sixsixsix/page/n3/mode/2up
Page 10 the New York Times claimed that 5 or 6 million jews were expelled from Russia. Yet their number isn't dramatically reduced to 0 in the 1926 soviet census. Do you deny this happened? The holocaust is not eastern europeans being mean to minorities. If you're saying that then the narrative is already lost. You're relativizing the suffering of 6 million jews! You are sounding like us now.
>Because apparently someone went to Russia, and was convinced that their government were considering Hitler's solution before he did. If anything this proves Hitler plagiarized. And people say he did nothing wrong... clearly we can add intellectual theft on top of it all.
Why are you a 1906ocaust denier?
@Ok123 @dave
Dude, your literal own source doesn't claim a holocaust happened or was happening in 1906 in Russia. Stop trying to act smart, you're clearly not. Clearly this discussion is over cause you're not even close to arguing in good faith. Someone else also posted your link, so I'll try to take a quick look at it.
What about the other newspaper claim that 6 million jews had been expelled from Russia in 1905? Or the 1919 New York Times allegation that 127,000 jews were killed by the Ukrainians and 6,000,000 in Poland and Ukraine receive noticed that they are going to be completely exterminated.
If you actually are jewish I'll let you leave the discussion because obviously if you are no amount of evidence will ever convince you.
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@BrothorCraig @dave
He probably chocked on chicken nuggets.
@Hyolobrika @dave
He was still in the car when the "I can't breath" shit started to happen. The only thing he was choking on was his own drugs.
10ng/ml does mean he was high, and people have ODed on less, but how much it takes to OD is highly dependent on how much of an addict you are, and from what I can tell he was definitely an addict.
His levels were actually only slightly above the levels found in your average DUI arrest (something like 9.5), and well under the average OD level of 17ng/ml.
@dave @Hyolobrika
So your claim is that he lied about not being able to breath in the cop car, but he suddenly turned honest the second he hit pavement. My apologies for not believing this bullcrap.
I do believe that the police chokehold designed to restrict a suspect’s breathing (and bloodflow) was in fact restricting his breathing as intended and as he claimed, yes.
@dave @Hyolobrika
You have no clue what a hold is designed to do. You have no clue where your body weight goes when you kneel like that. If it actually were to go on the leg you hold on a person, then Floyd could have EASILY destabilized Chauvin and make him lose balance and maybe even fall. Instead you see Chauvin rock solid, despide Floyd's struggles, because he plants his weight ON THE SOLID GROUND, not Floyd's neck.
But go back to your fantasy world, where we ignore physics, medicine, and everything else.
This is like poast levels of wrong. Like you sound like a person who has never wrestled trying to explain why you would be an amazing wrestler if you wanted to be.
@dave @Hyolobrika
Balance yourself on a moving object. See how well that goes for you.
@dave @Hyolobrika
Not to mention that how the fuck should anyone be able to tell when a lying scum is lying and when he isn't? If you want to condemn someone for not being a walking lie detector, and venerate a drug addict, go for it. As for me, I'll probably die knowing Derek Chauvin did nothing wrong.
@dave @alyx
> He had 10ng/ml of fentanyl detected in his autopsy. You can OD at those levels, but fentanyl is a fast-acting drug.
While technically correct, if I remember correctly, he was full of drugs. When you mig stimulants with depressant, it can hide the symptoms pretty well, while still fucking you up on the inside.
He was overdosing on fentanyl, while being on drugs... Also, he started screaming about not being able to breathe while in the police car. If that isn't enough for you, I don't know what more proof do you need.
Also, did you find a reasonable genocide done by white people?
@LukeAlmighty @dave
I seem to remember something about drug remains being found in the car, and some footage where he allegedly tried to hide his remaining drugs be ingesting it.
Even IF everything Dave said is true, a plausible explanation is that he was indeed high on fentanyl for a while, then cops catch him, and he ingests everything else he had, finally pushing him into OD. You'd still have the norfentanyl levels from fentanyl he took much earlier, but also the fast acting OD from what he took later on.
But this hypothesis, while very much plausible, it relies on footage that I'm not sure if I saw, or if I saw it and came to the conclusion it's too fuzzy to rely on it. So not my go-to. Everything else is more than enough to me the accusations are bullshit.
@alyx @LukeAlmighty @dave in some leaked video footage he had something in the car and threw it out as he was removed, and it doesn't seem like the officers noticed. my guess is that it was drugs of some sort, or he was so high he was just chucking shit out of his car and that doesn't exactly bode well either.
he was high as balls and had both a stimulant and a depressant in his system. you're absolutely not supposed to do both at the same time for what i hope are obvious reasons. they counteract each other and cause you to not notice what affect they're both having, this even happens with caffeine + alcohol and you can actually die that way because you don't notice how drunk you're getting even though you are blasting your bloodstream.
anyway, the *official* autopsy did say that there were no physical signs of strangulation or traumatic asphyxia. george floyd had a heart disease, had corona virus (which can affect lung operation), and obviously the drugs. that's a cocktail of destruction.
that guy was going out with an officer on top of him or without one. if he didn't have an officer on top of him then he probably would have been taken to a hospital while actually overdosing and might still be alive, but being restricted on the ground while his body was shutting down certainly didn't help and he wasn't given any help. i don't think the placement of the knee even really mattered given how there were no signs of physical trauma.
i think chauvin probably should have been charged with something like negligent homicide or involuntary manslaughter. if he wanted to kill the dude he would have just done it. there's way too much other stuff that was going on for him to have been charged with fucking second AND third degree murder as well as second degree manslaughter (for supposedly killing ONE dude). way too much for kneeling on a dumbass who was playing poker with the grim reaper already. and the other officers too, who got charged with aiding in the murder, like bro that's way too much of a sentence, especially considering the circumstances. but anything less and you can bet your fucking ass that courthouse would be on fire the next day. those dudes are probably safer in jail than out of it until their sentences are up and everyone is complaining about some other dumb "totally innocent" minority getting "murdered by police."
it's like george floyd jumped off of a cliff and got impaled on a rock so the cause of death was impalement instead of suicide or something. technically true, but it doesn't exactly tell the whole story. wouldn't have been impaled if he didn't jump. probably wouldn't have died if he hadn't done a shit load of drugs while also having a ***heart disease***. and then of course he was resisting police, it's not like he was being all nice and they just threw him down and kneeled on him. he was struggling against everything instead of just relaxing and letting things take their course... probably because he was high, but also maybe because he was a career criminal and knew he was doing something illegal which he didn't want to get caught for? we may never know......
@beardalaxy @LukeAlmighty @dave
>and had both a stimulant and a depressant in his system.
Literally what killed Michael Jackson by the way. Or maybe he also couldn't breath!... Oh no, Derek Chauvin strikes again!
>chauvin probably should have been charged with something like negligent homicide or involuntary manslaughter
Chauvin was nothing more than a scapegoat offered to a woke lynch mob hoping it would calm it down. It didn't, because you can't reason with the reasonless.
@EverySingleTIme @dave
You need a triple take it seems. He talked about a low level of norfentanyl, a metabolite of fentanyl. That's something that is created in your body, as it tries to process fentanyl. But if fentanyl OD kills you quickly, there won't be much time for norfentanyl to develop. Hence a death from fentanyl overdose would leave a low amount of norfentanyl in your body.
Of course, the argument easily falls like this: he took fentanyl much earlier in the day, the norfentanyl had time to accumulate in his body, the police catch him, he ingests whatever drugs he still had on him so the cops don't find it, this sends his body into OD.
If someone dies of an OD, you will find very little norfentanyl in their system, because norfent is a metabolite of fentanyl. When you find a decent amount of norfentanyl, that means they took it a while ago, and overdose isn't what killed them.
George Floyd had a significant amount of norfent in his system. In addition to the marginal amount of fentanyl in his system, and the fact that he was a long-term drug addict, it indicates that his fentanyl levels aren't what killed him.