@kaniini
I mean, #Antifa is actually a terror group, but it's great to see that you're not down with the violence. We conservatives need more people like that on the other side of the aisle and it looks like we're finally getting them

@realcaseyrollins antifa is not a terror group per se. there are authcoms who claim affiliation, but to be a terror group you must first be a group. there is no antifa base like ISIL and Al Qaeda had for example. there is no head of antifa. agreed that there may be some authcom terror cells that call themselves "antifa" though.

@kaniini
#Antifa has chapters which are defined groups. But yes as a whole they're decentralized and have no leadership, although they do have national figureheads which rally the various chapters (like the #Twitter account that got shut down for telling people to burn a city)

@realcaseyrollins sure, and that's what I am saying. I would believe that some of those chapters are either authcom terror cells or adjacent. those people are appropriating the idea of anti-fascism (a good thing) for their revolutionary agenda. I don't support those groups or their appropriation, and calling them "antifa terrorists" legitimizes their appropriation, a play that trump wants people to take as it strengthens his control.

(also in general, I'm more of a #NeverTrump conservative, in that I would like small government, but I believe that some socialist ideas could help to make the world a better place. I would rather mothball the F-35 and SLS programs and pointless wars and use that money for healthcare for example.)

@kaniini
Wouldn't it be great to take money used for intervention and use it to properly run the VA system? 🙂

@realcaseyrollins yes, and the IHS.

@realcaseyrollins (also to be clear what the GOP platform is, is not conservatism. it's the same neoliberal crap the Democrats push except more transparently focused on big business and big money interests. real conservatism is advocacy for small government that takes the best ideas from across the spectrum to obtain the best possible outcomes.)

@kaniini EXACTLY!!! There are few distinguishing features of the #GOP, the #prolife cause and gun rights are literally the only things keeping me voting #GOP consistently.

@realcaseyrollins @kaniini GOP isn't really pro-life.

@mewmew @realcaseyrollins

well, I clarify that by saying they are anti-abortion. once the baby is delivered, they don't give a shit anymore.

@kaniini @realcaseyrollins GOP is anti-abortion as pure virtue signalling. if they actually wanted to reduce abortion, they would support better access to sex education, contraception, etc.

@mewmew @realcaseyrollins oh, definitely. it's just yet another form of grift.

@mewmew @kaniini @realcaseyrollins >nooo don't get abortions
>but we're going to make birth control not covered by health insurance
The politicians are just getting paid off by big pharma at this point. It's not even against the bible to get an abortion

@cirno @kaniini @realcaseyrollins well yeah. anti-abortion Christianity is also virtue signalling imo but that's another matter.

@mewmew @kaniini @realcaseyrollins Like 90% of Republicans claiming to fight for christian values have never read the book, they're only doing it to get the votes of actual worshippers (since they used to be the majority in america)

@cirno @realcaseyrollins @kaniini @mewmew exaggeration or do you think its actually as high as 90%?

@Locksmith @kaniini @mewmew @realcaseyrollins No, I deadass think it's 90%. I don't even think most go to church

@cirno
I mean I'm strongly anti-abortion (#prolife) but y'all make great points about the #GOP opposing contraception, esp. the religious right.

The fringer segments of the religious are particularly peculiar on this. They are against sex ed in schools, fine, but don't seem to be for parents actually teaching them valuable things about sex and the various ways it's done and protections. They want to ban abortion, which again is a laudable goal, but tell people "don't have sex" instead of steering them towards methods of birth control that don't kill a fetus (preventative birth control, I think it's called)! Like we aren't dang Catholics! Opposing all birth control is * not * biblical.
@mewmew @kaniini

@realcaseyrollins @cirno @mewmew

i think actual sex ed and universal contraception are preferable to abortion, but women must have the right to bodily autonomy. anything less is not true conservatism (because the State is restricting rights).

@kaniini @realcaseyrollins @cirno @mewmew Sorry for interrumpting your talk 😅. I personally think both are needed, sex education specially. Here in México things are not going well in abortion ways, for some reason people thinks that girls are going to abort two times a week or something.

@kaniini
That's total bull; ignoring the bodily autonomy argument (in regards to abortion), Conservatism restricts rights all the time. If you're going to provide ultimate rights and bodily autonomy for all, you would need either a libertarian or anarchist state.
@mewmew @cirno

@realcaseyrollins @mewmew @cirno

while it is arguable that an abortion violates the non-aggression principle toward the unborn fetus, the State is violating the non-aggression principle by encumbering the mother's bodily autonomy.

defense of an unborn child which is not sentient (childhood sentience in fact does not develop until age 2 or 3) would be imposition of the State based upon a values judgement.

that is a political position, but it is not a conservative one. all violations of the non-aggression principle are authoritarian in nature.

@realcaseyrollins @cirno @kaniini yeah.

I don't like abortion either, hardly any Democrat does. However, making it illegal only makes it more dangerous, desperate people will still try to get them. Having the procedure be safe, legal, and rare is the goal here.

@mewmew @kaniini @realcaseyrollins Like seriously. Women don't get off to getting abortions or anything and it ruins their bodies and the odds of them having stillborns after skyrockets. If every teen could readily get birth control then even the horny dudes too scared to buy condoms wouldn't do shit when their pullout game is weak as fuck

@realcaseyrollins @kaniini To various degrees, both ‘sides’ are ultimately Statists. The only real difference is exactly which form and flavor the State takes in their ideal world

@wolfie @realcaseyrollins but that's the point, both have the same actual ideal world is one of a corporatocracy. the rest is PR.

@wolfie @realcaseyrollins corporatocracy is, incidentally, not compatible with true conservatism, as it undermines market freedom.

@kaniini @realcaseyrollins Oh, I don’t know, they do tend to have some minor differences in the precise form their ideal State takes. The anti-gun thing of the “left” vice the anti-… not sure what to call it. Not really sex thing but whatever one wants to call it.. on the “right” for instance

@wolfie @realcaseyrollins mostly trivial differences though. both are authoritarian regimes with corporations in control.

@kaniini @realcaseyrollins Hard to argue that

@realcaseyrollins @kaniini

Armed minorities are harder to oppress
#ShallNotBeInfringed #Protect2A

@kaniini @realcaseyrollins "I would believe that some of those chapters are either authcom terror cells or adjacent"

lmfao if you seriously think there are any remotely organized authcoms in the US, let alone """authcom terror cells""". there are a few tiny book clubs and some of them have their own newsletters.

this sounds like a bunch of anarchists got drunk with fox anchors and decided to team up on some regime change propaganda