White citizens in #Fishtown promise to attack #BlackLivesMatter protesters if they attack law enforcement, snatch #BLM banner from supporters
@kaniini Definitely some of the most Nazi-looking guys I've seen out there so far.
A big part of this batch was me trying to find footage of white supremacists, as I'm been hearing that they've been instigators of a large segment of the riots.
@realcaseyrollins seems likely. I've seen some screencaps of discord and such posts with people saying "the race war is on."
I've made a note to get every single gun out of my gun safe and test them next week to make sure they are all working correctly.
stay safe, man
I've made a note to get every single gun out of my gun safe and test them next week to make sure they are all working correctly.
stay safe, man
@kaniini Will do. You won't see me leaving my house for a week at least.
I'd highly recommend you actually test those guns ASAP, who knows what tomorrow may bring. 😬
It's hard to tell just how prominent the white supremacists actually are. Are they infiltrating #Antifa? They would certainly blend in.
Are they the #ProudBoys? Tomorrow I will look into the actual prominence of the #ProudBoys at the protests.
@realcaseyrollins I mean antifa is just an idea (which is why trump looks quite daft trying to designate it as a terror org) but yeah I'm sure some of them are posing as antifa folks.
can't check the guns right now because I'm out of town decommissioning some old colo so I can set new gear up closer to me. I practiced with the weapon I have on me right now for protection quite recently so I'm sure it's good to go if some skinhead tries to start some shit.
feels bad that a bunch of shithead cops, authcoms and nazis are duking it out over the Floyd murder. I'm not sure what the answer is though. absolutely gutted about all of it.
can't check the guns right now because I'm out of town decommissioning some old colo so I can set new gear up closer to me. I practiced with the weapon I have on me right now for protection quite recently so I'm sure it's good to go if some skinhead tries to start some shit.
feels bad that a bunch of shithead cops, authcoms and nazis are duking it out over the Floyd murder. I'm not sure what the answer is though. absolutely gutted about all of it.
@realcaseyrollins antifa is not a terror group per se. there are authcoms who claim affiliation, but to be a terror group you must first be a group. there is no antifa base like ISIL and Al Qaeda had for example. there is no head of antifa. agreed that there may be some authcom terror cells that call themselves "antifa" though.
@realcaseyrollins sure, and that's what I am saying. I would believe that some of those chapters are either authcom terror cells or adjacent. those people are appropriating the idea of anti-fascism (a good thing) for their revolutionary agenda. I don't support those groups or their appropriation, and calling them "antifa terrorists" legitimizes their appropriation, a play that trump wants people to take as it strengthens his control.
(also in general, I'm more of a #NeverTrump conservative, in that I would like small government, but I believe that some socialist ideas could help to make the world a better place. I would rather mothball the F-35 and SLS programs and pointless wars and use that money for healthcare for example.)
(also in general, I'm more of a #NeverTrump conservative, in that I would like small government, but I believe that some socialist ideas could help to make the world a better place. I would rather mothball the F-35 and SLS programs and pointless wars and use that money for healthcare for example.)
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Wouldn't it be great to take money used for intervention and use it to properly run the VA system? 🙂
@realcaseyrollins yes, and the IHS.
@realcaseyrollins (also to be clear what the GOP platform is, is not conservatism. it's the same neoliberal crap the Democrats push except more transparently focused on big business and big money interests. real conservatism is advocacy for small government that takes the best ideas from across the spectrum to obtain the best possible outcomes.)
@realcaseyrollins @kaniini GOP isn't really pro-life.
@mewmew @realcaseyrollins
well, I clarify that by saying they are anti-abortion. once the baby is delivered, they don't give a shit anymore.
well, I clarify that by saying they are anti-abortion. once the baby is delivered, they don't give a shit anymore.
@kaniini @realcaseyrollins GOP is anti-abortion as pure virtue signalling. if they actually wanted to reduce abortion, they would support better access to sex education, contraception, etc.
@mewmew @kaniini @realcaseyrollins >nooo don't get abortions
>but we're going to make birth control not covered by health insurance
The politicians are just getting paid off by big pharma at this point. It's not even against the bible to get an abortion
>but we're going to make birth control not covered by health insurance
The politicians are just getting paid off by big pharma at this point. It's not even against the bible to get an abortion
@cirno @kaniini @realcaseyrollins well yeah. anti-abortion Christianity is also virtue signalling imo but that's another matter.
@mewmew @kaniini @realcaseyrollins Like 90% of Republicans claiming to fight for christian values have never read the book, they're only doing it to get the votes of actual worshippers (since they used to be the majority in america)
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I mean I'm strongly anti-abortion (#prolife) but y'all make great points about the #GOP opposing contraception, esp. the religious right.
The fringer segments of the religious are particularly peculiar on this. They are against sex ed in schools, fine, but don't seem to be for parents actually teaching them valuable things about sex and the various ways it's done and protections. They want to ban abortion, which again is a laudable goal, but tell people "don't have sex" instead of steering them towards methods of birth control that don't kill a fetus (preventative birth control, I think it's called)! Like we aren't dang Catholics! Opposing all birth control is * not * biblical.
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@kaniini @realcaseyrollins @cirno @mewmew Sorry for interrumpting your talk 😅. I personally think both are needed, sex education specially. Here in México things are not going well in abortion ways, for some reason people thinks that girls are going to abort two times a week or something.
@realcaseyrollins @mewmew @cirno
while it is arguable that an abortion violates the non-aggression principle toward the unborn fetus, the State is violating the non-aggression principle by encumbering the mother's bodily autonomy.
defense of an unborn child which is not sentient (childhood sentience in fact does not develop until age 2 or 3) would be imposition of the State based upon a values judgement.
that is a political position, but it is not a conservative one. all violations of the non-aggression principle are authoritarian in nature.
while it is arguable that an abortion violates the non-aggression principle toward the unborn fetus, the State is violating the non-aggression principle by encumbering the mother's bodily autonomy.
defense of an unborn child which is not sentient (childhood sentience in fact does not develop until age 2 or 3) would be imposition of the State based upon a values judgement.
that is a political position, but it is not a conservative one. all violations of the non-aggression principle are authoritarian in nature.
@kaniini @realcaseyrollins @mewmew >childhood sentience does not start until 2 or 3
I think that's an incredibly dangerous (and incorrect) line of thinking. I'd rather not normalize "post-birth" abortions. For me, any time during the first trimester is reasonable
I think that's an incredibly dangerous (and incorrect) line of thinking. I'd rather not normalize "post-birth" abortions. For me, any time during the first trimester is reasonable
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@cirno @mewmew @realcaseyrollins
neurologically speaking, a newborn is not yet sentient. the primary decision-making loop that enables sentience, the "default mode network" as it is called, is not fully established yet.
i agree that is not justification for changing laws relating to abortion -- like in all cases where the NAP is violated for one or more parties -- there must be regulatory balance to protect both parties.
neurologically speaking, a newborn is not yet sentient. the primary decision-making loop that enables sentience, the "default mode network" as it is called, is not fully established yet.
i agree that is not justification for changing laws relating to abortion -- like in all cases where the NAP is violated for one or more parties -- there must be regulatory balance to protect both parties.
@kaniini @mewmew @realcaseyrollins Even so, it varies from child to child. It's not something you can actually quantify. And I'd argue a baby being able to say "mama" counts as sentient in my book
@cirno @kaniini @realcaseyrollins I know some adults who are not sentient. e.g. Marco Rubio, that man is literally a robot
@cirno @mewmew @realcaseyrollins
you can make a dog come by shaking a box of dog treats, but that does not mean the dog is sentient.
sentience has a specific definition, and is dependent on feedback loops that *do not exist* in newborns. newborns spend most of their existence sleeping, building neurological feedback networks in the brain.
a dog cannot be sentient because they do not have a neocortex. similarly, a newborn is still developing the neocortex and related signaling paths at birth.
this, of course, does not mean that abortion access should be changed to allow post-birth euthanasia.
it does, however, mean that while a baby does have the ability to feel pain, it does not actually have the capacity to process pain in the way that children who have a fully established DMN do.
which means that the "pro life america" billboards are inaccurate.
you can make a dog come by shaking a box of dog treats, but that does not mean the dog is sentient.
sentience has a specific definition, and is dependent on feedback loops that *do not exist* in newborns. newborns spend most of their existence sleeping, building neurological feedback networks in the brain.
a dog cannot be sentient because they do not have a neocortex. similarly, a newborn is still developing the neocortex and related signaling paths at birth.
this, of course, does not mean that abortion access should be changed to allow post-birth euthanasia.
it does, however, mean that while a baby does have the ability to feel pain, it does not actually have the capacity to process pain in the way that children who have a fully established DMN do.
which means that the "pro life america" billboards are inaccurate.
@cirno @mewmew @realcaseyrollins
the lack of ability to mediate processing of pain cuts both ways, it can certainly cause developmental trauma that has psychological outcomes.
but, these outcomes are related to processing deficiencies, there is no "episodic" traumatic event such as in PTSD because PTSD is an interaction with the DMN.
anyway, circumcision is bullshit and violates the non-aggression principle too. in this case, the State should prohibit violence inflicted by the parent or doctor.
the lack of ability to mediate processing of pain cuts both ways, it can certainly cause developmental trauma that has psychological outcomes.
but, these outcomes are related to processing deficiencies, there is no "episodic" traumatic event such as in PTSD because PTSD is an interaction with the DMN.
anyway, circumcision is bullshit and violates the non-aggression principle too. in this case, the State should prohibit violence inflicted by the parent or doctor.
@kaniini @cirno @realcaseyrollins I could rant about circumcision far more then anyone here would care to hear
@kaniini @mewmew @realcaseyrollins And yes, I agree that circumsion as a whole is wrong. It's also largely a ploy by big pharma since they're harvested and made into women's anti-aging cream under the guise of "cleanliness"
@cirno @mewmew @realcaseyrollins
(incidentally, the lack of the DMN is why nobody has memories of childhood before being a toddler. the DMN is what enables episodic memory.)
(incidentally, the lack of the DMN is why nobody has memories of childhood before being a toddler. the DMN is what enables episodic memory.)
@kaniini @mewmew @realcaseyrollins Going back to the argument, I feel as if killing a dog is wrong and so is killing a baby. Despite any studies on neocortex development. Humans should have morals, and those morals shouldn't depend on if certain parts of the brain are "developed enough".
Hell, I don't even see why this conversation is happening, or what you're trying to prove here. You're trying to prove why babies don't "count" yet you don't support post-birth killing. So why the talk on neuroscience?
Hell, I don't even see why this conversation is happening, or what you're trying to prove here. You're trying to prove why babies don't "count" yet you don't support post-birth killing. So why the talk on neuroscience?
@cirno @kaniini @realcaseyrollins dogs and pigs are about as intelligent, are you opposed to killing them too?
@cirno @mewmew @realcaseyrollins
oh, the point is that "pro life" people claim that first-trimester fetuses somehow have sentience. maybe you do not live in the US or have not seen the "pro life america" billboards, but they are FUD from a neuroscience perspective.
as i said, first-trimester abortion is a good compromise that protects autonomy while ensuring a viable fetus has the potential to become a child.
oh, the point is that "pro life" people claim that first-trimester fetuses somehow have sentience. maybe you do not live in the US or have not seen the "pro life america" billboards, but they are FUD from a neuroscience perspective.
as i said, first-trimester abortion is a good compromise that protects autonomy while ensuring a viable fetus has the potential to become a child.
@kaniini @mewmew @realcaseyrollins @cirno I've been pro-choice for most of my life, but I was pro-life for a brief Christian period. Caitlin Flanagan has done a lot of interesting journalism in this field and I like her take. It is a child. You can see it, and you have to realize pro-lifers aren't wrong in thinking that. At the same time, more women die when abortion is illegal. If something goes wrong, they were afraid to see a doctor for fear of getting charged with a crime
@djsumdog @mewmew @realcaseyrollins @cirno
> It is a child.
are eggs chickens? not until they become chickens.
a fetus is certainly capable of becoming a child, and past some point, should be guaranteed that potential. but, until it has developed into a viable fetus, it is not a child -- several things have to develop before a fetus becomes viable.
> It is a child.
are eggs chickens? not until they become chickens.
a fetus is certainly capable of becoming a child, and past some point, should be guaranteed that potential. but, until it has developed into a viable fetus, it is not a child -- several things have to develop before a fetus becomes viable.
@cirno @djsumdog @mewmew @realcaseyrollins
i mean, basically the way it happens is that the hen lays the egg and then a rooster fertilizes it, but even if a rooster fertilizes the egg, it takes a while for it to develop into a chick.
i mean, basically the way it happens is that the hen lays the egg and then a rooster fertilizes it, but even if a rooster fertilizes the egg, it takes a while for it to develop into a chick.
@kaniini @djsumdog @mewmew @realcaseyrollins I only had hens though so I never ate any baby chickens I reckon
@kaniini @cirno @djsumdog @mewmew @realcaseyrollins Uhh, I’m pretty sure birds fuck before laying a fertile egg. They’re not fish.
@lucky @cirno @djsumdog @mewmew @realcaseyrollins
nope. they do a mating dance, the hen lays the egg, rooster cums on it with his cloaca.
nope. they do a mating dance, the hen lays the egg, rooster cums on it with his cloaca.
@kaniini @lucky @djsumdog @mewmew @realcaseyrollins I just looked it up and they briefly touch cloacas, it's then held inside her and presumably applied to the egg when it's being made: https://www.quora.com/How-does-a-rooster-impregnate-a-chicken?share=1
@cirno @djsumdog @lucky @mewmew @realcaseyrollins
well, close enough anyway. i'm not in the chicken hatchery business, so i only remember from childhood (and episodic memory is fuzzy)
well, close enough anyway. i'm not in the chicken hatchery business, so i only remember from childhood (and episodic memory is fuzzy)
@cirno @djsumdog @lucky @mewmew @realcaseyrollins
(and it does not change my point anyway, the egg can be taken from the couple for a while and turned into an omelette and it does not matter)
(and it does not change my point anyway, the egg can be taken from the couple for a while and turned into an omelette and it does not matter)
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@cirno @kaniini @djsumdog @realcaseyrollins I'm in favor of forced fertilization - a woman must attempt to get pregnant every period cycle. Otherwise they are murdering their egg.
@cirno @djsumdog @kaniini @realcaseyrollins (ok, maybe I should not make my doujin plots into my political philosophy)
@mewmew @djsumdog @kaniini @realcaseyrollins A man must nut four times a day and put it all on ice to send to women as not to waste sperm cells
@cirno @mewmew @realcaseyrollins
besides, "choose life: your mother did" is a more effective message for anyone who respects the sanctity of life.
besides, "choose life: your mother did" is a more effective message for anyone who respects the sanctity of life.
@kaniini @mewmew @realcaseyrollins I think morally, a women should carry it to term since it's the potential for another soul to come into this world. If financially unstable, putting the child up for adoption. That said I do believe a lot of foster homes to be under developed so I'm not sure how viable that is an option, though I'd argue just about any foster child you ask would rather be alive than not
@kaniini @mewmew @realcaseyrollins I can definately find it morally acceptable as a result of rape, if the child is going to be born disfigured, or if the mother will be harmed in producing it. Though it IS her body so she should get a say in whether she carries it to term as it doesn't have a soul yet
@cirno @mewmew @realcaseyrollins
if you go with the biblical definition of having a soul (sentience), that puts you back in the 2 to 3 years old range.
if you go with the biblical definition of having a soul (sentience), that puts you back in the 2 to 3 years old range.
@kaniini @mewmew @realcaseyrollins No, it puts it into the 1 month+ period, as seen in the shilling passage
@kaniini @mewmew @realcaseyrollins I assume they mean the soul enters sometime during that first month
@realcaseyrollins @cirno @kaniini yeah.
I don't like abortion either, hardly any Democrat does. However, making it illegal only makes it more dangerous, desperate people will still try to get them. Having the procedure be safe, legal, and rare is the goal here.
I don't like abortion either, hardly any Democrat does. However, making it illegal only makes it more dangerous, desperate people will still try to get them. Having the procedure be safe, legal, and rare is the goal here.
i think actual sex ed and universal contraception are preferable to abortion, but women must have the right to bodily autonomy. anything less is not true conservatism (because the State is restricting rights).