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@beardalaxy yeah, obviously he shouldn't have a job that puts him anywhere near children, lol

No drag queen story hour for you!

But I do think, after having spent so much of his life before and after jail in sports; in a specific sport, it would just be wrong to deny him at least a chance.

@beardalaxy

I'm not saying it's OK, I'm just saying that it happens.

12 year olds can pursue men. I'm not saying that I condone it or advocate for it, have reciprocated it, ever, or anything like that.

I've just seen it, is all.

Yeah, it's the "social politics" which is the issue. Big Pharm don't cause the issue, they just exploit it.

It's like how "mass-shootings" work in America. They blame guns while simultaneously pumping kids with more meds to "prevent outbursts".

All this is basically to say, in general, people want to escape from the truth.

@beardalaxy

And yeah, she told him she was 12, that's why I said "actually, fuck that" afterwards and cited my friend's case.

In their case, they were in different schools, let alone different age-groups. The distance from NL to the U.K. is like 1-2 hours bruh, like a car drive in America.

Again, I'm not condoning what he did. He abused the trust of a 12 year old girl. But it's not like 12 year olds are somehow not an actor.

What I don't like is no one appears to care what the girl actually thought/thinks about the whole situation. Last time I checked the Wiki page, they said he told her to check for pregnancy/contraception, which is a very Stalin thing to do (again, I'm not defending these actions).

Meanwhile, the "victim" is being pumped full of drugs and "medication" and "therapy sessions", literally like the "MAP propaganda" meme. You claim she tried killing herself because of him, and not because she felt guilt for destroying his life.

I genuinely feel that the "guilt" comes from recognizing that they control the life of a man, at 12 years old. They can destroy life. That is like killing a dog at that age. THAT is the guilt, at least, that's what I feel (facts don't care about your feelings blah blah).

@beardalaxy also, it's amazing that the Wiki page is being edited and re-edited in real-time...

@beardalaxy I did say it was a "Dutch thing" as a preface, heh. Things are different there. That's not to say that this is or was condoned, which was why he was punished.

Also, you have to remember that at that time he was a well-known up-and-coming athelete as well (at least in the Netherlands, if I remember). I don't want to sound like an ass, but the girl probably knew, and that's why they established contact over Facebook (the most obvious "social media" platform).

I think she asked him to visit, and he said yes, not the other way round. Once he was there, sure, he got alcohol and "plied" her. I find it strange that not a single article mentions her family, or where they were at the time, but that's an aside.

Although, again, this is U.K. schoolgirls here. When I was in boarding school, we had one or even two weekly "binge nights" where we'd get drunk as a mob of kids and get chased by police and teachers with torches.

We'd go to town and ask older men to buy us beer. One time, me and my friends had to wait in a smoke-filled room with a topless woman offering us snacks...

And we were around that age at that time as well.

There were rumors all over school about girls getting with young teachers ("private tutoring"), or girls being spied on by (P.E) teachers.

They even made a film (St. Trinians) which even starred a girl (now lady) who was in my school, and that's basically the plotline (making/getting alcohol) to the film haha

I dunno man, I remember my childhood differently to other people, it seems.

How is 1 or 1.5 years difference THAT much of a deciding factor? Everyone knows there is variation.

And in the case of my friends' gf, she's French, so you already know she was drinking and being sneaky even before 12. She would come into bars with us and get free beers by acting like she was in our age-group, although she couldn't hold hands with her bf because that would be too obvious.

@beardalaxy bruh, my friend had the "parental consent" of the girl's family.

They were dating before I became friends with them.

So, basically they met when she was 9 or 10 and he was like 15 or something. Real "babysitter romance".

They were still dating when he was in uni and she was 14, so...

In fact, he was such a "gentleman" that he waited till she was 16 to "penetrate" her.

But you agree with me then, that his only real "crime" was that he didn't stay and try to legitimize the relationship (at least to the extent that the family knew).

All that prosecuting and then hounding people like this is going to do is drive ordinary people who aren't abusers who are in relations with "minors" (I'm really beginning to hate this term) further into hiding their totally normal relationships. It gaslights people into believing that they're not just criminals, but the worst criminals out there.

It's lumping in non-abusers with abusers of the worst type.

@beardalaxy it's a Dutch thing.

He was 19 and she was 12, the "rape" is basically statuatory - they "performed sexual acts" 3 times together.

In his British conviction, it mentions rape, but in his Dutch conviction, it only mentions "fornication".

Even on his Wiki page, it says his "victim" tried committing suicide when she heard he was arrested because she felt guilty.

You can say what you want about where that "guilt" came from, but I think this case is ridiculous.

He said that he thought she was older. A 19 year old dating a 16 year old isn't bad, by Dutch standards at least.

Actually, fuck that, I even made a post here about a friend I had who was 17 or 18 dating a 12 or 13 year old. They never got caught, and I'm not going to name them, but come the fuck on.

This shit is ridiculous.

@beardalaxy bruh....

Step 3: Use profit to buy lg who is same size and then swap them out so nobody can tell the difference

:soyface:

"Topper, I was so young, just a schoolgirl. He was an older man, so wise in the ways of the world. He used to come around the schoolyard, day after day. I so admired his persistence. Even the restraining order my parents slapped on him was no deterrent. He opened my eyes to the arts: music, clog-dancing, WrestleMania. His work has meant so much to so many. And I owe him everything, Topper. Everything."

Watching all those 80's-90's comedy films again, just to find out that virtually 100% of them have at least 1 obvious pedo joke in them.

youtube.com/watch?v=pTm2s5X3G1

"Did you hear, the Israelis say that they killed the bad guy on our side!!!"

"Oh wow, I can't believe the Israeli enemy would only kill only the bad guys and never any of our civilians!"

"Yes, totally, I completely agree with both you and Israel!"

"Yes, I love Israel and wish this war would end so we can all have "peace""

"Yes, I love Israel"

This is the extent of the "evidence" Israel has of Al Qassam's defence chief being killed.

A ridiculous "phone-call" between "Palestinians" which just clarifies every "claim" that the IDF makes while also praising the IDF and attacking Hamas...

timesofisrael.com/idf-says-inc

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