@alyx @LukeAlmighty my roommate was pining for the middle ages where a peasant would just work at his farm and then have a wife and a child he goes back to and doesn't have to do anything for like half the year.

i had to explain to him that, although we spend more time working than an average peasant did, our potential is at least 100x higher. you just have to utilize that potential because if you don't, then you're just a shitty peasant. our time is not the same as any other time so it's best to think about what you can do now rather than what you can't.

@beardalaxy @alyx
I really do get your roommate, and I kind of agree with him.

Obviously I get, that for instance, their lower back had to be dying in their 30s, but my issue is, that even with a so called 100x potential, you cannot choose to use only part of it.

You cannot possibly get a house, small garden and food for family on 2 part time jobs. So, the potential isn't there, if 60% goes to the state, 20% on rent, and you are left with 20%, that you must use on lawfare. You cannot even go most places on foot these days. Cities are not built for people walking from A to B.

But yes, the lost purpose and family expectations are a tragedy, that I cannot get over either.

@beardalaxy @alyx
I was just thinking about it, and I do not believe, that it's so much forgetting as it's all about the focus.

I have seen both corpo psychopaths and the street thugs in my life, so I do know, that they are depicted quite accurately in the game. I also do know that nothing can stop that kind of a person, and that if you get into the middle class lifestyle, you can avoid both of them literally 99.99% of your life. But, most people who were born in the middle class safety bubble do not know that. On contrary, when you play the game, you cannot live middle class safe zone character (for obvious reasons), and you get to interact only with the two kinds of psychos.

So, imagine never seeing these kind of creatures, and then having both classes in the game. It would in fact look like a total distopia.

@beardalaxy @LukeAlmighty
My grandmother (when she was alive and somewhat healthy) used to take care of a small garden + a few farm animals (in the city of all things, cause we be like that sometimes). Anyway, when I was little, I stayed with her for a while, and I'm well familiar with how hard she worked to grow some vegetables, a pig and some chickens. It was basically a 6am to 9pm workday. For a tiny plot of land.
Also, there's no such thing as "doesn't have to do anything for half a year". At best you have the months of winter. Because you still have to till the land, and fertilize it, and whatnot. There's plenty of preparation to be done before and after you have your crop.

So yeah... your roommate was clueless. It might be a bit easier these days to be a farmer, with things like tractors and all that, but in the middle ages?... Your roommate had no idea.

@beardalaxy @alyx @LukeAlmighty you two do NOT understand eugenics at all

>our potential is at least 100x higher.
If you transplanted a craftsman or something from the middle ages to here he would wipe the floor with every one of us. His whole family dying of leprosy and then him going to two wars were 9311 of his comrades died of gangrene infected wounds was like NOTHING to him. It was just TUESDAY. They were so powerful back then.
People today are weak.
You cannot even conceive the potential of someone like a Yamnaya from the Ice Age. We have all this tech because we simply have NOT gotten any more potential. We are petered out, we domesticated ourselves. THE SPARK IS ALMOST EXTINGUISHED

schizo post sorry but true

@WandererUber @beardalaxy @alyx @LukeAlmighty >bring back middle ages warrior who has tamed wild lands with his hands to fight chineseman

dies of 21st century 600th gen ultra evolved "common" cold

@IAMAL_PHARIUS @WandererUber @beardalaxy @alyx @LukeAlmighty
>be China
>be petri dish of the planet
Not the own you think it is.

@pepsi_man @LukeAlmighty @WandererUber @alyx @beardalaxy you saying you dont have influenza antibodies in you right now?

@IAMAL_PHARIUS @LukeAlmighty @WandererUber @alyx @beardalaxy
Look. Listen. I'm not in the mood for an ethnic hellthread.

My garage is dirty and filled with crap.

@pepsi_man @IAMAL_PHARIUS @LukeAlmighty @alyx @beardalaxy don't tag in then fr*ck off

@IAMAL_PHARIUS @beardalaxy @alyx @LukeAlmighty >He thinks an ice age warrior cares about cold
TUESDAY FOR HIM
THEY HAD FLESH EATING BACTERIA IN THE SWAMPS OF EUROPE.
THEY DRAINED ALL THE DEMONS OUT BY HAND

Not to fight chineseman however the Tocharian and the guys with the 200 km long blade of the full moon from chinese mythology got along quite good I reckon

@WandererUber @beardalaxy @alyx @LukeAlmighty i know theres a deep respect of the "working man" and theres some truth that a few thousand years ago subsistance farmers are alot more fit than average wagie today.

however if you bring anyone from then back here, its gonna be like the small pox blankets X1000

@IAMAL_PHARIUS @beardalaxy @alyx @LukeAlmighty disappointing normie opinion from you.
You cannot bring someone from then back to here so it's obviously a metaphor. If you gave him the same chances that we have today, he'd probably have a better chance at a good immune response than us.
The joke was their mental fortitude btw, that humans today are weak and coddled so much that they have forgotten how much potential we once had.

SN: The common cold has not mutated in a way that makes it more aggressive and deadly. It's just different now. That's counterproductive for a virus.

@WandererUber @beardalaxy @alyx @LukeAlmighty not really, immune response gets better over generation, as do a virus' ability to infect. unless immune comprimised by aids or unhealthy, everyone from now has better chance than someone from back then.

its what your ancestors fought off, reproduced and passed on.

@IAMAL_PHARIUS @beardalaxy @alyx @LukeAlmighty >immune response gets better over generation, as do a virus' ability to infect.
this is not true beyond a very very generalized cursory first sentence of an introduction
Two obvious points:
There is a sweet spot for a virus' infectiousness and deadliness that it does not cross most of the time because it will hamper it's ability to survive.
You forgot dysgenics and selection prevention via medicine.
Many other things missing too.
Say your piece but let's not fight over it it wasn't my point anyway.

@alyx
> some kind of augmentation psychosis

That only happens to people, who replace more of their body, then they are capable of. It is a rare condition even in lore, and could be compared to organ failure from steroids. (although, you are the one killing others)

Yeah it's a dystopia because everyone is brown and gay and ugly. That's more important than any kind of social services they have but Europeans are too naive to understand this

@GrungeQueef
Counterargument

@LukeAlmighty at least the Japanese still know how to make a cyberpunk dystopia look based

@GrungeQueef @LukeAlmighty falsenvke. There’s no misandry in either the video game or the anime. Trust me, I’m a sperg about that kind of stuff.

@NirtyDigger
Sure, but what is the chance of them living long enough to use it?

@monsterislandcolonizer @LukeAlmighty Exactly, it's a dystopia because it's non-white

@bigtony @LukeAlmighty
>bad people exist (just like real life)
>you’re allowed to kill them
Instantly better. Their problems are like the problems our world would have if we weren’t fake and gay, but everything else is better.

@bigtony @LukeAlmighty the transhumanism stuff seems cool to me, given that i'd like to fix some issues I have. As for pervert stuff, most i'd do probably is just pay women to let me nut in them which i can do irl already

@mischievoustomato @bigtony @LukeAlmighty The pervert stuff is not honestly worse than something like Fallout NV. It’s much better than what real life looks like. The women are hot, for one thing.

@Griffith @bigtony @LukeAlmighty i havent played cp2077, so idk really, i watched some gameplay of it, and yeah the women were hot. I am very "dun give a shit of what others do" so for me access to hot women and hot women being common is plainly a good thing.

i dont remember fnv really

@mischievoustomato @bigtony @Griffith
Weird... I didn't find most women in Cyberpunk hot at all, but obviously there are some exceptions.

But the anime did a fucking number, so I cannot complain :D

@mischievoustomato @bigtony @Griffith
IN CYBERPUNK. I WROTE IN CYBERPUNK!!!!!!

@LukeAlmighty @mischievoustomato @Griffith 2077 counts of possession of cp :(

@bigtony @mischievoustomato @Griffith
Not to mention reports of edging while running....

Weirdo -_-

@LukeAlmighty @mischievoustomato @bigtony @Griffith yeah none of them are really that hot just going off their in game representations. Fan art does wonders though. I don't really like the cyberpunk character models tbh.

@beardalaxy @LukeAlmighty @mischievoustomato @bigtony I think the anime girls are cute.

@Griffith @LukeAlmighty @mischievoustomato did you only watch the anime? The game is pretty vulgar

@mischievoustomato @LukeAlmighty idk man theres a difference between getting a nose job or lasic eye surgery and putting a computer in your brain in an attempt to live forever and have sex in cyberworld

@tomie
They literally mentioned education, healthcare etc. Also, Anime story dows contain a relatively stable and trusting "family", and in game, I get to meet many groups ready to accept me. So, even the social cohesion seems to be much better then now.

So, what kind of social progress do you want?

@tomie
I love the scene in the begining of the mission, where Jackie is just talking about the heist with me inside of an AI car. In real world, the AI would send the recording straight to Arasaka. Yet in the game, even AI can be trusted more then in real life :D

we wuz kangz!

@LukeAlmighty the AI doesn't send data to Arasaka because it belongs to another corporation
not because it's somehow an utopia or smth

@tomie
Yes. And yet, modern corpos trade data every day. Isn|t that interesting<

@LukeAlmighty a relatively stable family with a single mom being a literal slave at a subscription based ambulance? struggling to pay for her son's overpriced and useless education? that family in that anime?

@tomie
Yes

@sapphire
That would change a lot, if apartment (maybe rented), a gun and an old car puts you into 0.001%

Do you have any source (I mean even lorewise mentions) implying this?

@sapphire
Also, copro starts deactivates your bank account and software locks your chrome, so I don't think that leaves you much left.

@LukeAlmighty actually quite a bit from the source books, the average NC resident lives 10+ to an apartment and are expected to eat soy kibble for at least 2 meals a day