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@dave @Senator_Armstrong
Speak of the devil. In this thread you justify the use of genocide to counteract your own genocide. You only limit this to cases where your people are actively being killed. Well, as it turns out, I can name us place like that in real life today: South Africa.

White South Africans are targeted for racial violence routinely, making them actively killed. The government routinely threatens to "expropriate" their land "without compensation," and the people doing it sing "Kill The Boxer" as these demands hash out. When you combine these things, all racially motivated, you have an active extermination of Whites going on.

Which raises the following question: should South African Whites put down this active extermination with extreme prejudice? Your options are:

1) Yes, they absolutely should, because I, Dave, am internally consistent
2) No, in my system of thought, Whites uniquely lack the right to self defense on a racial scale (default if you do not answer)

Going to have to ask @LukeAlmighty and @alyx to forward the question to Dave since he blocked me.

Neet.

@s8n @alyx @Alex
I am starting to think, that @dave seriously never grew over the Harry Potter level of moral development.

Hey guys, did you know if you take apart your Nintendo Switch Pro controller, there is a hidden message for you? :smug:
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No, I'm not kidding :cat_chew:

Found while cleaning my controller. #photo

@Alex @alyx @dave
I know.
I think both attacks are justified, but also, that makes it PARAMOUNT to figgure things out, before I meet some antifa in the street.

@dave @alyx
A powerful organization

How many people do you actually think it takes to kill one fat nerd?

Man, you aren't just dellusional. You are living in the MCU at this point.

@dave @alyx
When I see an antifa guy on the street, I don't want to kill him.

But he thinks I am a nazi, and that I want to kill him. That makes him an active thread to ME.

And therefore, I AM actually justified to attacking him too, based on the fact, that he thinks, that I will attack him.

DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND IT?

@dave @alyx
Your thinking is so one-dimensional.

You said, the jews were right to commit a genocide. From there on, the danger was established.

Your examples are based on "one side attacking first", but that's retarded. Both sides know, that the other one can attack at any moment. Do you understand that concept? A Stand off?

@dave @alyx
Congratulations, you have just justified completelly why any average german was correct to support it.

According to you, it did became an "us or them" situation, where genocide of one group was inevitable.

@alyx @dave
I listen to him, because he sometimes manages to form an actual thought, instead of just reapeating the Leftie talking points at infinitum.

And that makes his thoughts, although most of the time retarded, at least interesting to listen to.

@dave @LukeAlmighty
Destiny clearly states: "at the very least, people who were a part of the SS, or nazi politicians". Problem is, if you were a jewish person, it wouldn't be a nazi politician that would have their gun pointed at you. It might not even be a proper SS member. It's gonna be a low level grunt, that acts on the orders of his higher-ups. So the way I see it, this being an argument of killing out of self-defense makes no sense.

Self-defense works when your life is in IMMEDIATE threat, not when "well, I'm convinced those people are gonna eventually come to kill me because of their ideology". That's not self-defense, that's acting in anticipation of a threat. It's Minority Report, without an actual clairvoyant.

What Destiny seems to argue, is that if we're convinced the Nazis are an existential threat, we are in the right to kill them.

Forgive me for not going too much farther into the stream. Maybe there are better arguments made later on in the discussion, but frankly both of them simply annoy me when they speak.

@ChristiJunior @dave
Yeah, that was the part, I was so happy for Dave to finally start defending.

@Jens_Rasmussen @dave
War is dirty. Death is inevitable.
Just don't act like a moralizing asshole about it. That is the point.

@dave
Ok.
Either way, My point was, that when you have a high tesion between 2 groups, and both of them believe, that genociding the other is justified, you cannot just go: But this genocide was defensive.

Because that is a dumb excuse, that will be always used. "They wanted to do it, so I did it first as defense" is an excuse, not a justification.

@dave
But he didn't say it either way.
He said: I see one genocide as justified, but the 2nd one as immoral.

I see why you hate this point though :D

@dave
Oh, Hi Dave.
There are several ways of looking at it.
1) The old fassion war stance.
Meaning, that every war is amoral.
That obviously ain't his point.

Or, we can take the defense point.
Well, he didn't talk about defense there, did he? He said genocide. That means mass murdering, and if jews are genociding you under the flag of defense, that means you can defend against their "defense" justyfying the supposed original aggression.

Do you see the problem now?

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