New Epstein Theory:
The Warp in the West fucked us over, and made the Epstein files an incomprehensible mess, of self contradicting evidence, that nobody can make any sense of. And which they can't release, because... well, how the hell do you explain to the common pleb that reality fractured, and you're not even sure who's guilty of what anymore? So since the Epstein files are the only evidence of reality fracturing, you keep it hidden to allow people to go on with their lives, without panicking that it's the end of the world, or some shit.
So blame Daggerfall and Bethesda for not committing to a canon ending, and for birthing the Warp in the West.
P.S. This was a joke.
I'm leaving this here too, for my own future reference.
@beardalaxy
>they are too prideful to own up to the mistake. we are done with pointing fingers. no matter which way you spin it this is all a massive blunder.
Yes and yes.
@jb
The way I see it, this scenario, where the economic or political health of the entire of USA hinges on this remaining hidden is... too exciting to be true (I can't really say "too good to be true", cause nothing about this is good so far). This scenario feels too much like a movie script, too much like some thriller story, to fit with the "nothing ever happens" reality. So I'm disinclined from believing it.
@beardalaxy
>pam bondi literally said the files were on her desk though
And RIGHT AFTER THAT, literally the next sentence, the interviewer asked if she saw anything noteworthy so far, and she responds "I don't know, I didn't look at it yet". Pam Bondi, more than anyone in that administration proves that they completely bought into all the conspiracy talk online, and they were completely clueless of what the FBI had or didn't have. And they kept running their mouth, making promises they thought they'd be able to keep, thinking they'd be heroes who get to uncover some deep dark evil secret that was hidden in a drawer. Up until right now, when they realized they fucked up, and they can't scrounge up anything noteworthy in the Epstein files.
I don't think democrats fabricated anything. That's Trump coping, because he thinks because the Steel dossier was fabricated against him, which turned out to be a gay fake nothing burger, so in his logic, now anything that turns out to be a nothing burger of no evidence must have also been democrats.
This isn't a matter of "fabricated". Epstein WAS an evil man. And I'm still sure he did plenty. This is a matter of someone, somewhere, didn't do their jobs, and didn't collect the evidence while it was possible to collect it, and now it's gone forever. Or worse, someone destroyed the evidence.
I don't think this is a matter of democrat or republican either. It's likely a matter of "deep state", FBI bureaucrats, that don't listen to elected officials as much as they listen to interests unknown to us. The democrats didn't do anything with whatever was left, because there wasn't enough left for them to use either. Simplest explanation.
Let me put it another way. Say the Mossad theory is true. Say Epstein did blackmail people on the orders of Mossad. Say FBI let him off with a slap on the wrist the first time around, on the orders of Mossad. Say Mossad intervened on his second arrest, to deny the public the full evidence when Epstein died years ago. Why wouldn't Mossad have FBI get rid of incriminating evidence back then? Why would Mossad wait until right now to prevent the client list or whatever to get released, and not make sure years ago that there was no more client list in the hands of US agencies?
This is the thing I'm trying to wake up people about. There have been assumptions everyone made, on zero evidence. Everyone assumed there was blackmail, based on rumor. Everyone assumed Epstein was assassinated, based on speculation. Everyone assumed FBI had all the evidence needed to show the blackmail, based on wishful thinking.
But what do you do, how do you react if you discover that most, if not all these assumptions turn out to be false? Right now I have zero faith that FBI has or had the evidence we want, I was always doubtful of the assassination theory (I personally believed Epstein was just allowed to kill himself, by disabling cameras and the guards taking a nap), and I don't see any reason to think people were actively blackmailed. I see it as more likely that he just sold girls to people to fuck, and made transactions without receipts, without paperwork, without a trail of evidence. Or if there ever was good evidence to convict the clients, FBI screwed us over years ago.
And now we have a bunch of fools in the administration, that believed the hype they helped spread, who are left holding the bag, because they couldn't help themselves but keep hyping it up.
What pisses me off the most about all of this, is that everyone has fallen in the same theory about why we're not getting anything released. "Oh, this proves Trump must be in on the conspiracy!!!"
I've only seen 2 good original arguments so far, and even those 2 people don't actually veer away from this theory.
First argument, from Tim Pool: the client list is so damaging, that releasing it would completely destroy ALL of US economy, so Trump and everyone decided they can't sabotage the country like that.
Second argument, from Vee: if Trump was on the list, if he knew he was involved with Epstein in such a way, why did he promise the release of documents in his campaign? The Epstein discussion was dying down. Him, and his administration picks, helped revive it. Why would he do that to himself if he knew he was on Epstein's client list?
I personally don't believe in Tim's argument, but at least he tried to think and came up with something slightly different. Everyone else... pure embarrassment as far as I'm concerned. I've seen NOBODY who actually tried to think a little bit more deeply, and try to consider the possibility that the conspiracy theories were wrong. Nobody tried to search for an explanation outside of the common conspiracy theories. Everyone, from the centrists to the right, followed the same hive mind.
I remember the days when the liberal left argued they were the free thinkers, and then they severely disappointed me a decade ago. Then the right-wing tried to pick up the label of free thinkers, only to disappoint me today.
@beardalaxy "Alternatively, none of it ever existed and we have just been gaslit and lied to about it this whole time up until now"
Pretty much this. People weren't so much lied to, but rather self-gaslit. People gaslit the hell out of themselves into being sure Epstein was blackmailing people, and that he was murdered in a spy movie fashion, even though we didn't have evidence for it. Just speculation.
But this wasn't restricted to the average people. The likes of Trump, Kash, etc., ended up believing the hype too. This is why they were so eager a few months ago, promising to release lists and whatnot, because they believed, just like everyone else, that all this magic bullet proof evidence existed, and waiting for them at the FBI. And the reason they're all so dejected right now, and want to avoid talking about it, is because they finally got to look over everything themselves, and realized they fucked up. That they were wrong, and promised something they couldn't deliver.
Have you seen Trump being gracious about being wrong? This is why we're not gonna receive an apology letter, cause the man can't stand being proven wrong.
Epstein probably still did more fucked up things than he got convicted for. But my bet right now is that the evidence is lacking. As for any potential co-conspirators, or clients, at best I imagine FBI has another flight-log type list. As in, a list of names that they can't prove were clients. A list of names with no context to it that can prove in a court of law that they committed crimes. In which case, not only are you at an investigatory dead end, but you can't even release such a list without being subjected to defamation lawsuits. Cause releasing such a list will still damage the reputation of those people in the public.
We could still talk about why the evidence is shit, and it could be because FBI didn't collect it properly years ago, or somebody destroyed it in the meantime. Who knows. But right now, this feels like the most likely scenario to me, that there's not much evidence to restart an investigation, and the evidence there is, doesn't fit with the theories the public created.
@beardalaxy You do realize they could have released it partially. Selectively redact things. If they had incriminating stuff on Trump, and they wanted Trump gone (which we know there's plenty of people who do, including Republicans), they could have gotten the thing done.
@matrix Conspiracy theorists are coping hard.
@BasedLunatic
>go to Greece
>don't want to eat Greek food
Go to a fucking McDonalds, you weirdo!
@coolboymew
I still have no clue why Idubbz became popular, but after seeing a few clips of how his wife behaves towards him, I really hope the next chapter in this story is them getting divorced.
@beardalaxy And the people that tried getting Trump arrested and assassinated didn't release that info because?...
@LukeAlmighty I can plow her. Anything else, no promises.
@LukeAlmighty It's a sim game. The achievement is for the people who end up playing 500+ hours messing around.
@LukeAlmighty Getting soil on the crystal island is trivial next to making a new landmass in the middle of an ocean. And considering how many states have started making artificial islands all over the place, clearly there is some demand for new empty landmass, that you can build on however you want, without pesky environmental restrictions.
Haven't watched the movie in a while, so I don't remember if this was an one-off achievement, or if Lex could have made more islands if he wanted. If it was the latter, then he'd definitely be able to make a business out of creating crystal landmass.
@BasedLunatic
Hamas.
@maxmustermann If the deep state actually agreed to back down, and allow Trump to reform America, under the condition that everything Epstein related gets closed forever, honestly I'd take it. Not the best outcome, but not the worst either. At least you could hope that things go back on track for the nation, and you could hope to reform the justice system, so that you don't get another Epstein like child trafficking cult that gets away with it.
For now though, I'm not convinced this is what happened. I'm more inclined to believe that everyone involved, from Trump, to Bondi, to Kash Patel, ran off their mouths, because they actually thought the FBI had a perfect case against Epstein and clients, but it was being suppressed by higher ups. Only to be left with eggs on their faces when they discover that the FBI of the past did a shitty job, and it doesn't actually have the evidence everyone thought they did.
So you have the likes of Bondi making it sound like she has the Epstein client list on her desk, only for a sentence later, in the same interview, to also say she didn't actually look at the documents that reached her desk. Funny that people who now keep citing that piece of an interview fail to notice her directly saying "I didn't look at it yet". How would she know there was a list if she didn't look? The reality is, she didn't know. She lied to make herself look good, because she was that convinced the client list must exist and be in the possession of the FBI, so it didn't cross her mind that what she was saying was even a lie, or that someone would catch the lie.
Right now I think either FBI was so incompetent, that they really didn't manage to investigate the Epstein thing at all, they missed evidence, they failed to collect it, etc., so they didn't have enough to go investigate further down the rabbit hole. And without Epstein or Maxwell squealing like a pig, they had nothing.
Or the other big possibility, the evidence has already been destroyed prior to this year. The people responsible will of course not admit to something like that, and the destruction will have been hidden enough that someone like Kash Patel wouldn't even realize that what he's looking at is tempering with evidence instead of just a lack of evidence.
In either case, you have a sleuth of people that bragged about releasing stuff out of the FBI if they get in charge, and now they discover they don't actually have much to release. It's the same shit as with the JFK story. Everyone was so sure that more released documents would reveal how the CIA killed JFK. Well... you had more documents released. Haven't heard anyone saying anything since. Another big nothing burger. It's the same thing. People assumed FBI/CIA had some world shattering info, and then got disappointed when it turns out they didn't.
Only regular people can't even cope with their disappointment that they were wrong. So they'll keep inventing new conspiracy theories, until they can manage to explain why Trump and his team didn't release the info they wanted to be true. "Trump made a deal with the Deep State!!!". Sure. Definitely. I'm pretty sure the deep state would rather ignite all nuclear weapons on US soil then cut a deal with Trump.
@JoeBravo77 I personally don't believe the "Brigitte Macron is a man" thing, but this is incredibly hilarious. Hope she ends up having to pull her trousers down to finally stop people talking.
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Gordon Freeman dies in All Dogs Go To Heaven 2.
I wasn't designed to be carried.
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