@matrix @miria @tsukiko@freak.university
Because it was late 19th, when it was shifting

This Roman/Greek one even explicitly says they married at 12 for procreation

They menstruate at 12 for a reason

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1300/J056v16n02_03
https://www.thecollector.com/pedophilia-ancient-greece-rome/

@matrix @miria @tsukiko@freak.university Also us (note: "time they reached adulthood at 12 to 15"), America, and England

https://www.historyonthenet.com/viking-society-women-and-children

@applejack @miria @tsukiko@freak.university This does not mention the age of both partners if I'm reading right. I'm pretty sure puberty was considered marrying age of both boys and girls. Teens marrying is much more different than an adult marrying a preteen.

@matrix @miria @tsukiko@freak.university Greek/Roman and English state that the man was generally older. Both were historically normal

Pretty sure you know that even today women prefer older men

@matrix @miria @tsukiko@freak.university

>Teens marrying is much more different than an adult marrying a preteen
12 is pedophilic under modern definitions, so it includes kids aswell as teens

If a teen/LG can get married and be a mother, what sort of mechanism prevents them from being the same thing when the husband is older? Why does the brain switch into trauma mode?

@applejack @miria @tsukiko@freak.university
Being older usually gives people a higher amount of authority, which is something that can be abused. If you have both teens, they usually have similar amount of knowledge and experience with relationships and sex, but if you have an adult and a teen, the adult usually has more knowledge and experience so that they can impose themselves on them.
Teen pregnancy is still wrong though.

@matrix @miria @tsukiko@freak.university
How can you trust an adult with authority over a child?

Isn't this just an argument against parenthood?

@applejack @miria @tsukiko@freak.university Biological parents have a big incentive to not abuse their children and mothers even experience a chemical reaction bonding them to the child so no.

@matrix @miria @tsukiko@freak.university

You mean like pair bonding, like with a wedding and sex and all that?

@applejack
No. I mean that parents have an incentive to raise a healthy offspring so they carry their genes and that mother's after birth experience a huge hormone surge.
@miria @tsukiko@freak.university

@applejack @miria @tsukiko@freak.university
*mothers

@matrix @miria @tsukiko@freak.university What do you think getting a wife gets you?

@applejack
Partner to share life with? Mother of your children? I don't understand why are you asking this question?
@miria @tsukiko@freak.university

@matrix @miria @tsukiko@freak.university You gain children, the thing you were just talking about

@applejack @miria @tsukiko@freak.university Yeah they do but that preference hovers around 3 years and also about head difference in height if I remember correctly

@matrix @miria @tsukiko@freak.university 3 years for an 18yo man means 15yo girl, that's in the 12-16 range. If you bell curve that then even 12 isn't that rare

And since it's 3 years despite being taboo, you can extrapolate that it would go higher by some degree without the taboo

@applejack
Well yeah, but that's also not pedophilia. Yeah it might stretch a bit but not an entire generation.
@miria @tsukiko@freak.university

@matrix @applejack @miria @tsukiko@freak.university
This actually does make me question, why do most women expect to be treated like childern while dating.

Because when you think about it, after a child marriage, that wold make them do the same behavior for years before she was ready.

@applejack @miria @tsukiko@freak.university Well the Greeks were retarded than. A big age gap between partners is much more likely to lead to an abusive relationship.

@matrix @miria @tsukiko@freak.university Why? Isn't this just your gut instinct from a society where it's hated? Why wouldn't the people that actually had it know better?

@applejack @miria @tsukiko@freak.university No. I would recommend the book Murderer next door. I don't have it on hand but there's a part about this.
Why? I dunno, maybe they just wanted to fuck kids. People in the past did a lot of weird or dumb stuff.

@matrix @miria @tsukiko@freak.university Friend, please, I've posted 50000 sources saying 12-16 was typical, and it lines up with menarche (objective evolved trait), it wasn't a quirk

And are murderers really the case sample you want to extrapolate from?

@applejack @miria @tsukiko@freak.university It talks about it in the context of women killing their partner.
Like I said people did a lot of weird, harmful and dumb stuff in the past and unless it yeeted 90% of the population it usually stuck around as a tradition.

@matrix @miria @tsukiko@freak.university Do you not think traditions have evolutionary pressures?

If a trait is negative it doesn't become and stick as a universal until feminists in the 19th century decide it's bad

(also I mentioned biological evolution being in line with it already)

@applejack
Technically all of them are, but not all developed due to environmental pressure, many exist purely as a ritual of your ingroup meaning they can be replaced with a different ritual.
Blood letting stuck around for an extremely long time so I don't think the argument that child marriage stuck around for a long time works.
@miria @tsukiko@freak.university

@Eris @tsukiko@freak.university @matrix @miria
Wrong
https://gameliberty.club/@applejack/107741906159200142

@Eris @tsukiko@freak.university @matrix @miria I posted 5 White societies that say 12-16 and 2 studies

Prove it

@Eris @tsukiko@freak.university @matrix @miria Lol