@matana @LodedDiaper Simulation theory is as much a religious theory as one of the thousands of sky daddies and mommies.
The braindead gotchas they do are more akin to "you didn't literally see animal evolve with your own eyes, therefore you believe in evolution"

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@matrix @matana @LodedDiaper Ye but either way the gotchas never ever result in "ergo, yeshua is god", it's just "some entity made everything"

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@matrix @matana @LodedDiaper Honestly the only good argument I know of for god would be consciousness. I can't explain the ghost in the machine, but I've hardly ever seen religious people use this point

@applejack @matrix @matana The ghost in the machine is very much a contemporary theory of soul in my mind. Thought the idea of soul could exist in other creatures as well honestly, depending on how a species interprets their dreams or their body.

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If consciousness involves action instead of just pure perception, then it would have to depend on physical mechanisms in the brain, since it affects conscious behaviour, so animals must have some version of the same thing

But then how does the progression work? I've thought whether computers have some form of it since they have something kinda sorta similar

It makes sense that something like this would have evolved. Brains are huge and extremely complex, with each neuron working basically as it's own CPU, so there would have had to have been a central coordinator so we don't get half of our brain going left and the other half going right, something like semaphores in computing

But still, why am I so sure I don't feel like a computer?

@applejack @matana @matrix Interesting thing is there are cases where neurons where used as computers. They took neurons from a rat and grafted them to a computer, and then train on flight sims. ( https://invidious.varishangout.net/watch?v=1w41gH6x_30 )

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I think, that conceousness can be derived from a survival selection.

If evolution is driven by dying off of unfit, then from all the steps needed for an organism to survive, you eventually get a concept of "me" needed for any planning to be possible.

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