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@Remi i know that in my case this was because of completely inept parenting

@beardalaxy @beardalaxy @Remi yup my immediate thought isn't "shoot the pornographers" it's "wtf are the parents doing"

my second thought is, if you survey adult women how many will express a preference for (consensual, obviously) physical aggression to at least *some* degree? probably a significant fraction. there's data of varying reputability on this stuff floating around but I don't have it to hand

@roboneko @Remi "here jimmy, have this laptop (now smartphone) with unlimited internet access, see where your curious child mind takes you!"

And yeah there is a good reason why women have always eaten up erotica involving stuff like BDSM. Many of them like to be dominated, plain and simple. Porn is fucked, obviously, but it is in some ways a reflection of actual human sexuality.

@yishengqingwa666 @roboneko @Remi ftnd is retarded, they make up hypothetical stories for propaganda

@beardalaxy @beardalaxy @Remi

@yishengqingwa666 I assume you're objecting to the second thing I said and not the first?

are you sure you're responding to what I actually said though? I didn't refer to any of the variety of things commonly portrayed in porn, only to how a particular sexual preference might be distributed in the population at large. and I explicity noted that degree was important

who exactly do you think the primary audience of 50 shades was? :lewd:

@roboneko @Remi @yishengqingwa666 middle aged women ate that shit up and they definitely did not grow up with internet pornography xD

@roboneko @beardalaxy @Remi @yishengqingwa666 need that to-love ru gif, you know the one I'm talking about
@roboneko @beardalaxy You could shield your child from pornography their entire childhood and have it all ruined by some brat with mommy's cell phone looking up pictures of boobs.

We shoot the pornographers for the same reason we shoot the cocain dealer.
@beardalaxy @Remi @beardalaxy

> have it all ruined by some brat with mommy's cell phone looking up pictures of boobs

if you do an even half decent job parenting brief exposure won't be an issue. they're going to grow up and go out into the world at *some* point. the idea isn't to keep them under a rock but rather to make sure that they're well adjusted

in the same vein a child with the mouth of a sailor didn't pick it up out of nowhere

anyway it isn't merely "pictures of boobs" causing the issue here it's "common portrayals of behavior in mainstream pornography videos"

> We shoot the pornographers for the same reason we shoot the cocain dealer.

moronic. the cocaine dealer along with the rest of the black market is a direct product of our backwards laws surrounding pharmaceuticals. we have exactly as much societal dysfunction in the US as we deserve in that particular regard

please don't mistake that for glorification or even broad support of recreational drug use on my part. merely the observation that the cocaine dealer isn't the root of the problem here and that violence towards him fixes absolutely nothing
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@roboneko @beardalaxy Your city has one cocaine dealer.
You murder him.
Your city has no more cocaine dealers.
Repeat as necessary.

Violence solves everything.
@beardalaxy @Remi @beardalaxy it has far more than one dealer. he came from somewhere

this is the same line of reasoning that leads to prohibition in the first place. drugs don't just suddenly materialize for no reason, there's demand for them

that demand doesn't go away. you just force it underground. if nonviolent cocaine dealers get killed violent ones that are willing to go toe-to-toe with you will take their place as long as the price is high enough. you will ultimately regret your decision in the end and society at large will be worse off for all the bloodshed

take a look at southeast asia. they execute smugglers there. there are still plenty of drugs circulating and the fallout from all the violence damages their society to a significant degree
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@Remi @roboneko @beardalaxy philippines did it too, best to shot both the dealer and the addict. making sure you grab that problem by the root
@beardalaxy @Granwalder @beardalaxy @Remi and yet drugs, recreational users, and addicts all still exist there. meanwhile places that legalized various things didn't suddenly burn to the ground. curious

the rise of organized crime in the US was greatly accelerated by alcohol prohibition. human history endlessly repeats itself
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@beardalaxy @Granwalder @beardalaxy @Remi certainly, but not to do with legalization as far as I can tell. in fact we haven't legalized much here. you might have missed it but up thread I cited the situation here as an example of ass backwards

not as fucked up as southeast asia mind you. but I digress
@roboneko @Granwalder @beardalaxy >fentanyl floyd had nothing to do with ease of access to illegal substances

nigger
@beardalaxy @Remi @beardalaxy @Granwalder he both did and didn't. people like that are in many ways a product of the system we've intentionally created

nowhere have I claimed that problems with drug abuse magically go away when they aren't persecuted. rather I've claimed that persecuting them fails to make them go away. just because A implies X doesn't mean that X implies A

there are a lot of other factors going on when it comes to things like overall crime rates and school children ODing. when I was in school it was noticeably more difficult to purchase alcohol than it was hard drugs. this was specifically because alcohol was legal and age limited so there wasn't nearly the same demand fueling the black market trade for it. the big time drug dealers wanted absolutely nothing to do with it

tl;dr legalized substances coupled with cultural values successfully keeps them away from children
@roboneko @beardalaxy @Granwalder A system intentionally created by undercharging and early release of "nonviolent" criminals who are directly responsible for the deaths of the people they sell to and the deaths of despair of those around them.

The point was that Floyd literally died of an overdose, from shit he got from someone who should have been executed years prior.
Were drugs easier to buy because they were unregulated, or because they're not actually prosecuted?
I'll remind you that Floyd's dealer admitted to selling the drugs to him, was never punished for it, and went on to be arrested for sex trafficking the following year. How many people has this man killed? Society would be better off without him, and hundreds of thousands of others like him.
@roboneko @Granwalder @beardalaxy >and yet drugs, recreational users, and addicts all still exist there.
Let's see the numbers. The greater hurdle and real risk of death changes the field a lot.
Two of my close friends I went to school with in LA overdosed. The smell of weed was inescapable. There were frequently burned out addicts lying on sidewalks, sometimes even in the street.
I don't know a single person where I live now who even smokes pot, let alone does hard drugs.

So please, PLEASE tell me how I am worse off now living in a place where dealers aren't allowed to infinitely reoffend, where addicts are not allowed to exist in public, where I don't have to lock my doors at night, and where my friends and family don't overdose vs the satanic shit hole that I escaped from.

>meanwhile places that legalized various things didn't suddenly burn to the ground. curious

American cities regularly burn to the ground.

>the rise of organized crime in the US was greatly accelerated by alcohol prohibition.

Prohibition was a controlled operation to shake out small manufacturers so that elites could buy them out and monopolize the industry. It was never seriously enforced, and your high school text book lied to you.
@roboneko @beardalaxy @Granwalder Cocaine dealers will continue to be shot, society will continue to improve, and there is NOTHING you can do about it.
@roboneko @randbot @beardalaxy @Granwalder Killing your neighbor would save countless lives. Your weakness does nothing but cause chaos to the people around you.
>the cocaine dealer along with the rest of the black market is a direct product of our backwards laws surrounding pharmaceuticals. we have exactly as much societal dysfunction in the US as we deserve in that particular regard


i agree. not condoning drug abuse/pornography consumption either. but societies get exactly the criminals they deserve as they are an offshoot of the culture at large. they are just a symptom of something deeper at play.
@roboneko @beardalaxy @Remi M̶y̶ ̶f̶i̶r̶s̶t̶ ̶t̶h̶o̶u̶g̶h̶t̶ ̶w̶a̶s̶ ̶b̶l̶o̶w̶ ̶u̶p̶ ̶a̶ ̶s̶c̶h̶o̶o̶l̶ ̶b̶e̶f̶o̶r̶e̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶b̶u̶s̶e̶s̶ ̶s̶h̶o̶w̶ ̶u̶p̶.̶ We should do something legal like petition our local unelected figureheads for a bake sale.
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