@applejack @beardalaxy @xyfdi if I ever want to do obscure undefined tasks thru obtaining obscure undefined shit I'll just go and try to apply for tax deduction or some other highly bureaucratic stuff
and if someone reuploaded a random guy playing a game just in order to lowkey bully him, this says nothing good neither about the game nor the fandom

@tomie @beardalaxy @xyfdi You're not really listening, and you don't seem to know who DSP is

Like I said, the game helps you out in what you need to do, how to do it, and gives you the tools for it. It just does not hold your hand. It's the peak of this sort of design

DPS has tutorial messages directly tell him what to do, button prompts on the screen, item descriptions, he ignores them, he does not interact with the NPCs or pay attention to his surroundings, so he has no idea how anything works, where to go, or what to do, so he has a miserable time, and HE BLAMES THE GAME FOR IT, he is the iconic example of why people think the game is hard, and he is by far more toxic than the people making supercuts (as well as a kinda crap person overall)

He is iconic as the lowest common denominator that needs to be accounted for, which Dark Souls is a bit too high of a bar for:
https://youtu.be/eSB29qx6sWw?t=2277

@applejack @tomie @xyfdi I haven't played enough to know of the intricacies of all the design. I more refer to how clunky/janky it is. I'm not a fan of that. Elden Ring and Sekiro seem to be smoother from what I've seen, but I haven't played them so I'm not sure. I'm also just really not a fan of the gameplay loop of immediately dying to a boss and having to replay through everything again just to get back and learn a little bit more, I think it artificially pads game time/difficulty and the same can be said about the dudes who jump out at you from around corners. I'm cool with difficult games but Souls games just kind of seem needlessly difficult to me and not fun to play because of it. That's why Lies of P was cool, it had a checkpoint right before the first boss so if I did I could retry immediately, but would still be losing currency and items each time so it still forced me to get better without feeling like the game was wasting my time.

I get it though, that the grind is part of the appeal. Just not appealing to me, and I think there are ways it can be done better. Making combat more snappy with more clearly defined hitboxes, turning up the difficulty of combat a little bit, and being more gracious with checkpoints would put the games more up my alley.

@beardalaxy @tomie @xyfdi >I have not played enough to understand it
>Having to learn the game is padding
>Not fun because of it

I guess the issue is that you want the game to be explained to you and the difficulty to come from the gameplay, whereas in DS learning the game is the main source of the difficulty. In either case, you play the game to get good, I see no reason why one would be worse other than mindset

>it had a checkpoint right before the first boss
So does the Asylum Demon in DS1, Last Giant in DS2 is a ladder and an elevator away (via shortcut, level designs, especially in DS1 is great), and Iudex Gundyr in DS3 is a short stroll away

A bonfire is rarely very far away, and you are rewarded for exploring via shortcuts, hidden bonfires, changing the environment, or just getting better at fighting the enemies between you and the boss and learning the area

You have the wrong perception of the games if you think you're supposed to die 50 times to the same boss in a row to memorise tiny twitches in their attacks

If you're taking more than a couple attempts, it's almost always a sign that you should adapt or come back later

@applejack @tomie @xyfdi I guess I just don't vibe with it. The more cracked out a game is the more I like it usually xD why I can't really play stealth games either and strategy games usually aren't too fun for me. But that's why I was saying originally that I don't think the games are necessarily bad, they're just very far from something I'd want to play for an entire game.

@applejack @beardalaxy @tomie @xyfdi holy shit is that applejack?

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