Hideki @hideki@gameliberty.club

@Terry no

Wait i'm already in bed

bah

To be honest, i think it's better to be at this hour discussing about the meaning of art instead of fapping.

@berkberkman @Reluctant_Weeb @siinclaiir @NEETzsche @book

Okay, but post the original mix, not the Radio Edit version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrlKxV5KWJo

@Reluctant_Weeb @berkberkman @siinclaiir @NEETzsche @book well, it's my opinion in the end, so of course t's subjective, but i think we oughta start thinking on a more proper and adequate definition to it, giving the state of the matter at hand as of now.

@berkberkman @Reluctant_Weeb @siinclaiir @NEETzsche @book That's why i want artists to flesh out their art their craft and intentions, because as things are now, people who does AI stuff cannot provide background to their pieces, just the end result.

If someone who does not provide any background (to to their pieces or to their skill) starts putting out all of these things in three months, out of the blue, it's very easy to explose it as a fraud if artists start regularly posting stuff like timelapses, sketches and stuff like that.

@berkberkman @Reluctant_Weeb @siinclaiir @NEETzsche @book what if the end result of the expression of crazyness and countless hours of sleep deprivation is a butt

@Reluctant_Weeb @berkberkman @siinclaiir @NEETzsche @book

The disconnect we're having is because of the notion that we should call anything art, even if it's something that comes from the depths of the chaos, just because WE as spectator find meaning on it even if it doesn't have it in the first place.

To me, art is the expression not only of the human as a sentient being, but also as the expression of the countless hours spent in trying to improve a skill and ALSO the inherent meaning that the author has for a certain piece. That's why even while some animals can be trained to paint, i hardly would call those pieces art, but a mere novelty.

If a certain piece does not have these kind of elements then to me it should not be called art, because we end in the danger of calling a banana straped to the wall a piece of art, or a toilet, or an intrincate drawing of a photorealistic eye copied from a photo by someone using a pencil which has a lot of skill but practically no inherent creative intention.

And so, to me any image generated using AI tools cannot be called art, simply because it lacks humane intervention AND lacks skill and craft, even if the person writing the prompt has meaning behind it.And because it cannot be called art, it should not be lumped with the rest of the pieces that do have it.

Sorry for the botched writing, i am sleepy and it's cold ;_;

@berkberkman @Reluctant_Weeb @siinclaiir @NEETzsche @book Yeah i hope the AI puts all the calarts crowd out of business, ironically speaking(?)

What i think is that AI is not gonna go away anythime soon, and short of that, AI is gonna be more present in everyday life as time goes on.

What i advocate in the case of AI generated images are:

Firstly that people realize that these tools can be ethically used and far from their use being discouraged, people and artists should be educated about it. Since the technology is new, you have to tell people that just because you have a gun you shouldn't be around shooting people because you like it.

I advocate for places where this content can be posted without making noise to the places where artists post theirs tuff, so to not make their craft less relevant, moreover, in places that were from the start dedicated to them.

I want to artists to flesh out more their art because i want to people also to appreciate the art because of all the dimensions that come with it, and not beacuse is something aesthtically pleasing (or not pleasing but provocative), but because there's actual craft and skill behind them.

@NEETzsche @Reluctant_Weeb @siinclaiir @book

Yeah the technology is cool i've been saying it on another posts, to me is no short of a miracle and i still have problems wraping my head about how it works, i'm not at all against the technologic side of things.

The problem is when some people that only care about the final result of the thing pretend that typing some words in a text box is as valid as someone who spent years practicing and enhanching their craft, and now these people are overruning the spaces that always were reserved for artists.

I think most artists wouldn't have a problem with it if there were some kind of site that would concentrate this kind of content and give it the proper space to not make real artists and their fans lose importance amid mass produced stuff.

@Reluctant_Weeb @siinclaiir @book

They haven't faded in the popular conscience because of their age and significance but are basically a meme for most people at this point. If someone doesn't really care about Davinci then for that person the Giocond would just have importance as someting that looks nice but that's all.

If i'm devaluating art by trying to state that people should be more aware of the inherent content of some piece of art and not caring only about the final piece because it looks nice even if it was made by cold steel? then okay.

@NEETzsche @Reluctant_Weeb @siinclaiir @book

Yeah but my argument doesn't really touch the engineering part of the technology which i can't really say anything about, i know that coding something this complex requires a lot of research because i also code stuff so it's not foreing to me.

I guess some artists are really against the technology as a whole because of the preconception that it's "literally stealing" from them but at the core of the protest is the fact that the spaces usually allocated for them and their craft are being overrun by people that are mass producing stuff by just typing some words on a text box, and pretending that somehow using such technology is the same as someone who actually spent years maybe trying to get their skill to that point.

@book @Reluctant_Weeb @siinclaiir That's a nice way of saying "i don't care about what you say lel."

@book @Reluctant_Weeb @siinclaiir

*sigh* yes dude whatever i only care about the product.

I should write less walls of text if people aren't gonna spend a brain cell trying to understand trhem.

@book @Reluctant_Weeb @siinclaiir

My enjoyment of the product was enhanced beacuse i learned the background about it, it was no longer just about the final product. Otherwise it would have been discarded as another thing.

Paradoxically, the least albums that i like about the band are the ones that were created during the phase of "well, i guess we're big now so we have to keep producing more". That usually have the most classic and commercial hits.

@Reluctant_Weeb @siinclaiir @book

If people only care about the final result and do not care about the motivations and struggles that are behind it, then it's something that will end up fading over time because it's something that's just "there".

There's this album by Metallica called "St. Anger" that every fan of Metallica likes to hate, and they hate it because to them it sounds awful and very different of what Metallica was doing until them.,

If you are someone who only cares about the final resul the story ends here, the album is shit, discarded, next thing.

But then this documental called "Some Kind of Monster" comes along which is all about how this album was produced, and you end up seeing that there was a lot of struggle, change and internal conflict present in the making of this album, then the album suddenly takes another dimension, you pay more attention to the lyrics and the sounds ad then you see this struggle reflected on the sounds being produced by the band.

The majority of fans still likes to discard the album and they go to the more clinically produced albums because "they sound better", and since they don't really appreciate the band, just what they produce, they fail to see that there's something to appreciate right there.

To me, it became my favourite album of them ever.