cool_boy_mew
>Adobe removed the chat support option

Fucking christ. It already took them a fucking hour before to remove licenses, because adobe doesn't let you do that by yourself, but now I'll be stuck speaking on the phone to a fucker who probably don't even speak either languages giving whole ass e-mail addresses?

Fuck you Adobe

Also their shitty ass support site tells me to contact support just gives me a link loop that leads to nowhere to do this. So they really fucking killed chat support despite their website saying otherwise
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xianc78
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@coolboymew What Adobe product are you using? There is almost no reason to use any of them these days.

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cool_boy_mew
@xianc78 @pernia Name me a professional alternative to Photoshop, Illustrator, After Effect and the two animation flash replacement that isn't Gimp, gimp is shit

Either way it's not for me, it's company stuff

I finally found their chat, I have to go to account.adobe.com and the link in the bottom bar, which makes no sense and is completely hidden
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pernia
@coolboymew @xianc78 well good. i'd say learn gimp and it won't be as shit but if you don't want to then there's no point. im pretty sure there's another propietary company that makes an abobe replacement tho but i can't remember their name.
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mangeurdenuage
>Name me a professional alternative to Photoshop, Illustrator, After Effect and the two animation flash replacement that isn't Gimp
Will your company pay for GIMP ?
Maybe that would make the project be able to afford a full time team.
Also for similar flash animation go see Synfig studio, and same as Gimp they need money to have more developers.
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cool_boy_mew
@mangeurdenuage Will the team be able to use GIMP and any of these softwares? Probably not and are probably not as fully featured
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xianc78

@coolboymew @mangeurdenuage GIMP is compatible with Photoshop plugins and PSD files. The only think that's holding it back is the user interface.

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mangeurdenuage
@xianc78 @coolboymew @hakui
>The only think that's holding it back is the user interface.
You mean this ?
https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=57DNUsf4A-0

Also non destructive editing is pretty much a must nowadays. As far as I know some of GEGL parts are being rewriting for that.
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御園はくい
@mangeurdenuage @coolboymew >Will your company pay for GIMP ?

no, because GIMP is as usable as its namesake

also companies pay for something that works, not something that promises to maybe be usable some time in the next decade
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touch fluffy tail
@coolboymew @xianc78 @pernia one wonders if their new SaaS approach will lead to increased innovation in free software
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cool_boy_mew
@fluffy @pernia @xianc78 their new SaaS approach?
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pernia
@coolboymew @fluffy @xianc78 Software as a Service. like google docs but abobe
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xianc78

@pernia @coolboymew @fluffy All the major tech companies are moving to that model. It should be no big surprise that Adobe is doing it as well.

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pernia
@xianc78 @coolboymew @fluffy tbh i see it as a good thing. that way im not forced to run their software on my computer, just run it on theirs'.
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cool_boy_mew
@pernia @fluffy @xianc78 Oh. But ain't they already been doing this for a while? Personally, it's cancer. Their fallout with a certain company meaning you cannot use certain versions anymore wouldn't have been a problem in any other ways

Competitors needs to rise badly
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pernia
@coolboymew @fluffy @xianc78 lack of competition is the biggest most obvious problem with tech and it has been for a while. until a big government decides to fuck big tech over with antitrust laws nothing will happen though
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touch fluffy tail
@pernia @coolboymew @xianc78 just wait until the Google Oracle suit makes API patentable
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pernia
@fluffy @coolboymew @xianc78 :puke:
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xianc78

@pernia @coolboymew @fluffy These companies literally work with big governments in their mass surveillance and censorship programs. They will never fuck them over unless one of these governments goes through a reformation.

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pernia
@xianc78 @coolboymew @fluffy very true. they do it largely in secret though (kind of hard after the snowden leaks), so the section of government that does the surveillance couldn't cause too much of a fuss if pro-competition laws are passed. atleast for non-US countries
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xianc78

@pernia @coolboymew @fluffy As an ancap, I think there are too many anti-competition laws like copyright and patents which have no place in a true capitalist society. Microsoft is notorious for using patents (which requires a state) to stunt competition. I don't know that much about Adobe, but I remember hearing that the Flash format was patented for a while.

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touch fluffy tail

@xianc78 @pernia @coolboymew >As an ancap, I

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freemo (MAYBE)
@fluffy :3040: @xianc78 @coolboymew @pernia
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pernia
@xianc78 @coolboymew @fluffy i absolutely agree. software patents are detrimental to the development of better software, which goes against the whole reason why patents exist.
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touch fluffy tail
@coolboymew @pernia @xianc78 since I think CS6. So relatively recent considering the age of the company
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touch fluffy tail
@xianc78 @coolboymew t. Doesn't do art
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