@caekislove @leyonhjelm @Xenophon @branman65 @Godcast @jetzkrieg @RealRaul The UK government hasn't taken down Sealand yet.

https://sealandgov.org/en-us

@xianc78 @leyonhjelm @Xenophon @branman65 @Godcast @jetzkrieg @RealRaul According to Wikipedia, it's founder died in 2012 and nobody has lived there since 2006.

@caekislove @xianc78 @leyonhjelm @Xenophon @Godcast @RealRaul @jetzkrieg No lolbert utopia has lasted. The Phoenix foundation went nowhere

@branman65 @leyonhjelm @xianc78 @Xenophon @Godcast @RealRaul @jetzkrieg True. Nations are founded on blood. If you're unwilling to fight for your sovereignty, those who are sovereign will simply write you out of the history books.

@xianc78 @caekislove @leyonhjelm @Xenophon @Godcast @jetzkrieg @RealRaul Sealand is English you extra chromosome fuck

@branman65 @leyonhjelm @caekislove @Xenophon @Godcast @jetzkrieg @RealRaul My point is that you need to do it off the coast of a country that won't harm you.

@xianc78 @branman65 @leyonhjelm @Xenophon @Godcast @jetzkrieg @RealRaul So relying on the goodwill of the state for security? Can't you just do that normally on land?

@caekislove @leyonhjelm @Xenophon @branman65 @Godcast @jetzkrieg @RealRaul Eventually, we plan to move even further out in the ocean.

@xianc78 @leyonhjelm @Xenophon @branman65 @Godcast @jetzkrieg @RealRaul Fair enough, but you'd netter make it at least 200 miles out and hope that nobody in power redefines "exclusive economic zone".

@caekislove @leyonhjelm @Xenophon @branman65 @Godcast @jetzkrieg @RealRaul Nobody thought that America would be able to declare independence but here we are.

@xianc78 @caekislove @leyonhjelm @Xenophon @Godcast @jetzkrieg @RealRaul America had actual resources, and French money/troops, your shitty platform isn’t going to last

@branman65 @leyonhjelm @caekislove @Xenophon @Godcast @jetzkrieg @RealRaul Underwater mining exists.

@xianc78

Hurricanes have entered the chat

@caekislove @Xenophon @branman65 @Godcast @jetzkrieg @RealRaul

@leyonhjelm @caekislove @Xenophon @branman65 @Godcast @jetzkrieg @RealRaul Already covered.

https://invidious.poast.org/watch?v=fT4YXU-oNoA

@xianc78 @caekislove @leyonhjelm @Xenophon @branman65 @Godcast @jetzkrieg @RealRaul Seasteading sounds neat until you consider the ocean is a liquid desert that wants to kill you.

Unless you've managed to build your own nuclear reactor and secured a fuel supply for it you can forget about maintaining any reasonable long term quality of life out there.

Then for an offshore settlement to be viable to permanently inhabit you have to find something to affordably produce out in the middle of the ocean that you can sell to the mainland to trade for all the stuff you can't produce yourself.

The economic model for every seasteading project I've ever seen relies on fake and gay businesses like tourism and gambling, or else is just a retirement community for people to live off their passive income from the mainland.

@xianc78 @Godcast @RealRaul @Xenophon @branman65 @caekislove @jetzkrieg @leyonhjelm Here's a free seasteading business model for you: offshore uranium farming.

https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.scientificamerican.com%2Farticle%2Furanium-extraction-from-seawater-takes-a-major-step-forward%2F

There are a lot of sources you can find that talk about the idea of extracting uranium from seawater, but that one is nice because it gives you some concrete numbers to play with in a spreadsheet.

Once you do all the calculations you find the process described can supply nuclear power at an implied rate of 1450 watts per kg of filter material. That's fairly decent, especially if the filter material can be reused.

On the other hand if you used a more efficient molten salt reactor design that includes online reprocessing so that you can use all the uranium instead of throwing most of it away the 27,000 kilograms / gigawatt-year mentioned at the bottom of the page drops to about 1,000 kilograms per gigawatt-year.

Rerunning the numbers with that now your extraction process is worth 39100 watts per kg of filter.

Those are the kinds of numbers you need to build a viable settlement out in the middle of the ocean. 26 tons of filter active continually will keep a 1 GW molten salt reactor fueled. Now you have plenty of energy to not just keep yourself alive but also power manufacturing and agriculture so that you have products worth selling.

>I'm better able to escape the arm of the law by floating on a wide open body of water, than by hiding in a densely wooded forest.
😏

@Xenophon @leyonhjelm @xianc78 @Godcast @RealRaul @branman65 @jetzkrieg Yeah. It seems weird to me that libertarians come up with all the craziest plans to create an independent state except the only one that has ever worked in all of human history:

Step 1: Get a government to allow some of your people to live on some land they aren't using.
Step 2: Send a fuckton of your people to that land and arm them up.
Step 3: Using some sort of pretext, declare that land to be yours and shoot anyone who argues with you.

@caekislove @leyonhjelm @Xenophon @branman65 @Godcast @jetzkrieg @RealRaul Governments don't own water 12km beyond their shoreline.

@xianc78 @leyonhjelm @Xenophon @branman65 @Godcast @jetzkrieg @RealRaul Unless the governments have a "conference" and then decide that now they do.

@caekislove @leyonhjelm @Xenophon @branman65 @Godcast @jetzkrieg @RealRaul They have never experienced a society with absolutely no gun control. They don't stand a chance when everyone is armed.

Tell that to the drug kingpens who have their yachts boarded by Navy SEALs

@Xenophon @xianc78 @leyonhjelm @Godcast @RealRaul @branman65 @jetzkrieg Or even just Russian citizens deemed rich enough to be called "oligarchs".

I'm not a Russia stan. The oligarchs are all criminals, and most are jews at that, so they could all get a Mozambique drill and I wouldnt care.

But the US is still an illegitimate state.

@Xenophon @leyonhjelm @caekislove @branman65 @Godcast @jetzkrieg @RealRaul
>But the US is still an illegitimate state.

All states are illegitimate. They only exist within your head.

@xianc78 @Xenophon @leyonhjelm @branman65 @Godcast @jetzkrieg @RealRaul The wind is illegitimate. Therefore, my house will be safe this hurricane season.

@caekislove @leyonhjelm @Xenophon @branman65 @Godcast @jetzkrieg @RealRaul If nations have an objective basis in reality, then why do nations recognize some other nations while refusing to recognize others?

Stop concerning yourself with the human, and start concerning yourself with God.

@10grans tip 0.0001 to @Xenophon

False.

Legitimate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Israel_(united_monarchy)

@Xenophon

If a government ever needs justification they’ll put one of their ships near you and declare you pirates.

@xianc78 @caekislove @Godcast @RealRaul @branman65 @jetzkrieg

@xianc78

Governments with enough weapons own whatever the fuck they want. Just ask Afrika and South Amerika.

@caekislove @Xenophon @branman65 @Godcast @jetzkrieg @RealRaul

the problem with libertarians is there really is No True Scotsman.

@Xenophon @leyonhjelm @xianc78 @Godcast @RealRaul @branman65 @jetzkrieg Turns out "I just want to be left alone" isn't a compelling enough worldview that anyone would be willing to put their life on the line for it.

well you have the

>I hate fags, I hate the government and tyranny, I love God, and want to be left alone
right next to the
>I love gay sex and rampant drug use, I hate paying taxes, and I want to be left alone

Imagine either fighting for the other.

@Xenophon @leyonhjelm @caekislove @branman65 @Godcast @jetzkrieg @RealRaul Both can have their own covenant communities while willing to join forces when statists start to invade.

if you say so.

@xianc78

envisions the statists sending people

Sorry, that’s not how this works. Hope you have missile defense and torpedo defense for your impossible floating trash heap

@Xenophon @caekislove @branman65 @Godcast @jetzkrieg @RealRaul

@leyonhjelm @xianc78 @Xenophon @Godcast @RealRaul @branman65 @jetzkrieg I have the solution!

@caekislove

based

@xianc78 @Xenophon @Godcast @RealRaul @branman65 @jetzkrieg

@xianc78 @Xenophon @leyonhjelm @caekislove @branman65 @Godcast @jetzkrieg @RealRaul >my freedom loving neighbors will never side with the invading statists because they hate my guts due to incompatible cultural norms and philosophical axioms!
>they'll be rational and lay down their lives along me!

@caekislove @Xenophon @leyonhjelm @xianc78 @Godcast @RealRaul @branman65 @jetzkrieg Libertarians don't understand what a society is. It requires a degree of brainpower to convince yourself of this convoluted anti-natural nonsense, so it truly is a midwit phenomenon.

@CatLord @leyonhjelm @xianc78 @Xenophon @Godcast @RealRaul @branman65 @jetzkrieg You're on fire today, my friend!

@caekislove @Xenophon @leyonhjelm @xianc78 @Godcast @RealRaul @branman65 @jetzkrieg Step 4, immediately turns into drug and crime haven where debauchery reigns. It was tried.

@white_male @leyonhjelm @xianc78 @Xenophon @Godcast @RealRaul @branman65 @jetzkrieg lol yes I was thinking of the Texas Revolution when I wrote that but Israel is certainly another example of the same strategy in practice.

@caekislove @leyonhjelm @xianc78 @Xenophon @Godcast @RealRaul @branman65 @jetzkrieg @white_male All stand for the Libertarian Flag

@caekislove @leyonhjelm @xianc78 @Xenophon @Godcast @RealRaul @branman65 @jetzkrieg bro if they put their heart they could conquer all of africa :blob_sob: what are the africans gonna do, toss spears?

@MischievousuTomatosu @leyonhjelm @xianc78 @Xenophon @Godcast @RealRaul @branman65 @jetzkrieg Might makes right.

@caekislove @leyonhjelm @xianc78 @Xenophon @branman65 @Godcast @jetzkrieg @RealRaul that's how you get Waco 2.0

@beardalaxy @leyonhjelm @xianc78 @Xenophon @branman65 @Godcast @jetzkrieg @RealRaul By "a fuckton", I mean a million+ people. Think Texas or Israel.

@caekislove @leyonhjelm @beardalaxy @Xenophon @branman65 @Godcast @jetzkrieg @RealRaul I have completely lost faith in Texas seceding from the union.

@xianc78 @leyonhjelm @beardalaxy @Xenophon @branman65 @Godcast @jetzkrieg @RealRaul Do schools not teach about the Texas Revolution anymore?

Schools don't teach much of anything, any more. Took some college classes in my late 20s that covered shit I learned in middle school.

bruh, Texas will put you in jail for boycotting Israel. seceding? LMAO.

@xianc78

At that point you exist at your host nation’s whim

@branman65 @caekislove @Xenophon @Godcast @jetzkrieg @RealRaul

@leyonhjelm @caekislove @Xenophon @branman65 @Godcast @jetzkrieg @RealRaul It's a pragmatic approach. Eventually, you float even further away from any land based nation.