I watched Bryan Lunduke's video where he defends real ID on the Internet. One thing in the video that I don't see talked about is that he offers an alternative solution that is just *SLIGHTLY* better.
Basically, you could have cards with serial numbers that you can purchase at a 7/11 or something. Kind of like an Amazon or eBay gift card, and you can enter that serial number when signing up for a website to prove your over 18 or that you are not a bot. It sounds better but I see potential problems with it:
1. There are too many random variables that make it less than anonymous. Does the cashier scan your ID or does he just look at it? Can you buy the card with cash or only with debit/credit? Are there facial recognition cameras in the store? The company/organization providing the cards might even require all retailers to not accept cash and to have the customer's driver's license scanned and have all that data report back to them.
2. Cards obviously cost money to produce and ship so one can make the argument that it is cheaper and more efficient to just have users provide ID on whatever website they are trying to access.
3. Opponents to such proposal could point out that an adult could buy a bunch of cards and give/sell them to minors just like we see with alcohol/tobacco.
Obviously, I would rather not have any of this verification crap at all and just stick to the honor system we have now. I don't even think this store-bought card system would be considered because there clearly are people who want to end anonymity online and age verification provides the perfect stepping stone.
@wowaname I have nothing against onion sites or eepsites. But I don't know. It will always seem depressing if we have to use them just to access a site as edgy as 4chan in the near future.
I mean this was what people were thinking when major hosting companies were doing censorship back in 2017, but at least with corporate censorship, you didn't have to worry about being thrown in prison if your cover was blown. Now with this age verification shit (done by the government), you risk jail time for hosting a darknet site that uses the honor system of just merely asking visitors their age. And yes, you can make the whole OPSEC argument, but just look at how many people suck at it.
@slipgate I feel like a full blackpill scenario would have sneakernets and underground cafes with PirateBoxes as the only means to exchange un-sanitized information. Kind of like how North Korea apparently has an underground sneakernet full of people smuggling K-Pop and anime.
Not to mention that these darknets are still ultimately band-aid solutions because they still rely on the physical structure of the regular Internet and governments and ISPs can (and in the former case, have) block them via DSP. Supposedly, the Tor bridges hide the fact that you are even using Tor by making the traffic look like VoIP, but I feel like they can find a way to determine if you are using it, eventually.
To me this is the ultimate point.A future where the darknet is the only place to find non-sanitized content on the Internet is extremely blackpilling to me, even if it turns out to be the only option.
I know Tor and I2P aren't what the mainstream paints them as, and that they are easy to use, but the idea of having to use something that is often associated with 1337 hax0rs just to access content that was common place on 4chan or even the darker corners of Reddit 10 years ago without showing an ID, just seems so wrong to me.
Also, many people don't realize how easy it is to de-anonymize users even if they are using Tor. Sites can use JavaScript or even CSS to de-anonymize users. Metadata can give clues of who people are. That's why the Tor browser discourages fullscreen use. You just know that governments are going to be setting up more honeypots where they try to catch even the most slight slips of OPSEC, if a future like this happens.
Not to mention that these darknets are still ultimately band-aid solutions because they still rely on the physical structure of the regular Internet and governments and ISPs can (and in the former case, have) block them via DSP. Supposedly, the Tor bridges hide the fact that you are even using Tor by making the traffic look like VoIP, but I feel like they can find a way to determine if you are using it, eventually.
@PurpCat @mattesilver He constantly blows goodwill but somehow makes a comeback. His current comeback only exists because he is the only one exposing the ultra-wokeness in the FOSS community while also showing alternatives. But I remember him quitting fedi entirely because of all the anime girls on instances like FSE or how he threaten to quit LBRY/Odysee because a front page video dared to drop the s-bomb.
@mattesilver He stopped doing sponsorships long ago. Nobody wants to sponsor him anymore, especially after the FOSS community went ultra-woke.
Yes, VPNs can help you get around certain types of geographic restrictions, but it’s very important you do your due diligence before downloading one. https://ssd.eff.org/module/choosing-vpn-thats-right-you
@cjd @kaia @f5b55f6b44b8997b2b6e8469a6a57f8d3f3b2ef27023543445c40ecec485ee64 @BowsacNoodle @c @Hoss @Owl @goatmeal I couldn't find any evidence of a smartphone app, but I just realized that the 2025 Goldbacks now have UV reactive ink. I don't know how easily replicated that is though.
@cjd @kaia @f5b55f6b44b8997b2b6e8469a6a57f8d3f3b2ef27023543445c40ecec485ee64 @BowsacNoodle @c @Hoss @Owl @goatmeal I think they already do that. They claim to have some pattern that can't be replicated.