xianc78 @xianc78@gameliberty.club

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#NoAgendaBannedCamp

So once upon a time there was this social network anyone could host that interoperated with other instances called StatusNet, renamed to GNU Social around the same time it became a GNU project (for a while being a GNU project carried some prestige). Over a few years it gains a cult following in the early-mid 2010s with a small group of nerds online, usually libertarian/free speech leaning, though there was also a socialist left segment of the network as well. This increases after Twitter ban waves and another instance releasing a frontend that mimics Twitter.

Then 2016-7 comes and Eugen decides to start this new social network that's decentralized and while starting a new network from scratch would be an uphill battle, Eugen decides to latch onto the existing GNU Social network using OStatus (while also adding in ActivityPub). Mastodon gets this marketing blitz about how it's "Twitter without the Nazis" from journalists for a month or so in early 2017.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/783akg/mastodon-is-like-twitter-without-nazis-so-why-are-we-not-using-it

This leads to a giant divide between Mastodon instances and the others using GNU Social, like the current one with Lemmy and the rest of the fedi or even the new Twitter refugees. Namely while the GNU Social side was mostly for free speech and similar, the Mastodon side had the Tumblr mob/NPR listener mindset of shutting down everything online. This is why a guide on Mastodon installation will tell you that you must install a blocklist as an example.

But the even larger issue is that now Mastodon has become the IE6 or Chromium of the fediverse. It's the most popular fediverse instance software based solely on name recognition. It had/has so much pull over the network that what Eugen wants, Eugen can get. Instance blocking wasn't a thing before Mastodon and the Mastodon side is still the top abuser of it. On top of that, Mastodon also has increasingly lagged behind Misskey/Pleroma and even forks for features like reacts. Due to this technical and cultural difference, being on the fediverse with Pleroma and Misskey is vastly different.

Aside from Mastodon instances hammering GNU Social instances (thanks to numerous factors including better hardware for Mastodon instances, more of them, and the ways the code was written), Mastodon also basically forced the rest of the fedi off of OStatus and onto ActivityPub by dropping support for the former. GS being abandoned basically also fueled the rise of Pleroma as ex GNU Social users wrote that.

There's a lot more I could get into, I know a few people on shitposter.club (a former GNU Social instance around before Mastodon) know a lot more about this than I ever could because they lived it.

What I want from the fedi #socialweb is attention democracy. I want everyone using #ActivityPub and everything on the internet layered with it. I want the public to decide what information, art and ideas go viral in the world, with no favor given to wealth or media ownership. That's my vision.

So while I want to welcome in #meta to further this goal, I fear they will see this threat to their power and perhaps try to co-opt it. IDK what to do next but spread the word about what's possible.

@7666 many big corporations aren't actually motivated by customer revenue, they actually run off investment capital. this is why you see these huge un-profitable zombie corporations that run at a loss for years,, constantly getting more investment capital from the mega-banks and investment firms who receive free money created out of thin air.

that's not capitalism. most of our economy isn't. it's how the likes of blackrock can impose their ESG ideology on corpos when it's completely 180 degrees opposed to being profitable

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Oh yeah, absolutely. As much fun as it is to LARP about it, a *real* war like that would be awful on every level.

Unfortunately, state collapse leave big power gaps, so if you aren't ready to swoop in and take control, and let's be honest, how many people that you would want in power are, you have a huge vacuum that gets filled with the worst kind of people.

In relation to all this, I think the way to avoid these things is to start working towards what the Afghanis have somewhat achieved (no not the Taliban). The reason that Afghanistan tends to be unconquerable is that they are made up a multiple tribes, and one agreement ends where the next tribe starts. The Irish had a similar thing and is why they were able to resist British rule for so long during the medieval period.

That's kind of the idea behind the structure of America anyway, but we need to really embrace it. Then you have localized revolutions or breakdowns, or a simple return to tribal law (Somalis also did this after their socialist regime collapsed in the 90's, and it worked out relatively great).