@Immahnoob @beardalaxy "taking her time to find herself" means she wants to ride the cock carousel. remember she's 20 in reality

@Immahnoob everyone saying this is missing some extremely key points.

the girl "taking her time" exists in the same body as the girl wanting to devote herself to kotoyuki, the man she was going to be married to in an arranged marriage. the same girl who defended kotoyuki just wanting to be together with her and be happy.

this "taking her time" is not the modern day equivalent of "taking her time." hinako was going to go into a forced marriage because her dad had debts he needed to pay off, and is legitimately scared about getting married due to everything she's seen with her own parents + how she was treated in 1960s JAPAN as a tomboy instead of a little perfect princess.

kotoyuki comes to the realization that, although he is extremely passionate for hinako, they barely actually know each other. they both agree that they need to wait a bit longer before marrying and they begin actually getting to know each other first.

hinako straight up tells kotoyuki "if the love you have for us was real, then i hope we can meet again. we'll think it through, slowly and carefully. we'll have our answer ready."

on top of all of this, if you want to go with the interpretation that the spiritual parts are far more real and not just hallucinated, which as far as i can tell so far the game leaves pretty vague, there is an ancient "spell" that causes kotoyuki to be extremely invested in hinako. he says that he wants to make sure his love for her is actually real and not just some spell binding them. reminds me a little bit of the witcher with yennefer and geralt actually.

the more "hallucination" interpretation of this would be that the "spell" is his strict mother (which is a whole other aspect of this story) and hinako's parents both trying to get them married, and that pressure to do so is hastening the pace so it feels like a spell has been cast.

people are looking at this game through way too much of a modern day political lens, absolutely brain rotted by other actually woke games. there is so much focus on hinako being some girlboss or something like that without taking *any* of the extra context in.

i don't know if people just have not gone through anything even remotely similar to what hinako has and so they just don't get it, or they are lacking something that lets them empathize with the character, or if they do empathize with the character and are just distancing themselves, or what. i'm sure the vast majority of people talking about it haven't played the game, haven't dove into the story as was intended by the writer, and are probably just being reactionary as a defense mechanism. youtubers doing it are probably just ragebaiting, whether they know it or not.

@beardalaxy @Immahnoob and even if she wants to "ride the cock carousel" so what, that's men's fault anyway, not her would-be personal flaw or something

@tomie @beardalaxy Indeed, women can't say no.

@Immahnoob @beardalaxy would you look at him pretending that the proverbial cock carousel doesn't require moids to function

@tomie @beardalaxy It does not, women control access to sex, men control access to relationships.

Unless rape is involved, then...

@Immahnoob @beardalaxy and there you go with your "traditions", full mask off moment and moids still keep on projecting their own sins onto women

@tomie @beardalaxy I'm pretty sure the extreme majority of men will not even rape you.

@Immahnoob @tomie @beardalaxy *smuckles*

@tomie
How is rape not traditional?
@Immahnoob @beardalaxy

@Immahnoob @tomie @beardalaxy and as much as I meme about rape, I don't condon it. But consider I don't consider making ur wife do/stick too her obligations as rape. If ur gunna work to support her, she better be putting out every night and in creative new ways. That dinner better be done too.

@Immahnoob @tomie @beardalaxy the only reason why women control sex is because most men came to the agreement that raping women was bad

if men wanted women turned into meat toilets chained to radiators whats gonna stop them?

@rlier23 @Immahnoob @beardalaxy @tomie There are wives, girlfriends and whores. A woman is born into one of these boxes and can only ever go down.

If you treat either as another you're a fucking idiot or scum.

I applied this to every single woman I ever got to know, and I was shocked at who'd play work wife whilst her husband played games all day.

If you know their worth, they catch on, and you avoid much of the bullshit they'd otherwise use to make you stay.

@rlier23 @beardalaxy @tomie Because women are irrational and retarded, or did we forget that women would take all types of concoctions, throw themselves off stairs, use all types of tools and more to abort their children, dying in many many cases? If they can do that, they can certainly make your life, your family's life and society's life even more difficult even at the cost of themselves.

Even Islam has strict laws against it. We've had them for thousands of years as well. Chattel slavery was actually very rare and was used as punishment rather than the main method we used to treat slaves.

I DON'T GIVE A FUCK NIGGA YOU STARTIN THAT SHIT BITCH ASS YOU KNOW WHO I IS, COME SWING BY AND FIND ME BITCH

@tomie @Immahnoob @beardalaxy Bad men enabling women to do bad things does not mean that doing said bad things is ok.

@Immahnoob @beardalaxy @tomie NO I JUST SAW THE REPLY AND NOW I GOTTA CHANGE THE MEME

@Minty @beardalaxy @tomie TOO SLOW MINTY.

@Immahnoob @beardalaxy @tomie I was a very slow cowboy.

@Minty @beardalaxy @tomie

@tomie @beardalaxy @Immahnoob incorrect. Especially when they blame men for their own choice. No one made her be a whore. The female chose to be a human petredish and then later regrets and tries to take back that which can't be taken back.

Old saying. Women are the gate keepers of sex, men are the gate keepers of relationships.

@Azur_Fenix @tomie @beardalaxy Beat me to it because I was searching for a picture.

But yes, it's a "cock carousel" because you chose to ride it. It isn't taking you along for a ride, you've seen the advertisement and you went for it.

@tomie @beardalaxy @Immahnoob
Once again there is 0 overlap between accountability and women.

@tomie @beardalaxy @Immahnoob "it's mens fault women sleep around when young and end up alone instead of starting a family and having real purpose."

Good hopefully the spinster bitch curses men with her last breath as the fat folds that envelop both her lungs and diaphragm fail in her early 30s as a childless fat whore

@Minty @Immahnoob @beardalaxy @tomie I actually agree with this, women are not rational beings capable of making forward thinking decisions. Any mistake them make is ultimately the fault of the men in her life who did not manage her.

The problem is that women are allowed the freedom to make life changing decisions, that needs to be taken away from them for their own good.

Women's rights is no different to nigger rights, it's enforced at gunpoint by the state and their pigs for the purpose of terrorizing White civilization. We are talking about creatures that for their entire evolutionary history had to be managed to avoid disaster, no amount of education or public policy will change their nature.

@GoonPatrol @Immahnoob @beardalaxy @tomie @Minty THEY BELONG TO THE STREETS!!!!

@tomie @beardalaxy @Immahnoob You are right. It's men's fault. Brb, going to fix that (undoing women's right, because of too many wrongs).

@beardalaxy >everyone saying this is missing some extremely key points.

>the girl "taking her time" exists in the same body as the girl wanting to devote herself to kotoyuki, the man she was going to be married to in an arranged marriage. the same girl who defended kotoyuki just wanting to be together with her and be happy.

All these "key points" you're describing don't help in any way when the game is portraying tradition poorly. There are two layers of problems here, first, it's the message being sent by the game, which is basically shitting on tradition and instead posing the modern view of how things should be as the better option. You talk further down about what she and Kotoyuki talk about and what decision they take.

The second one is that for the above to be true, they seem to forget how men and women work.

Beyond being a garbage game that shits on what SIlent Hill is supposed to be as well.

>this "taking her time" is not the modern day equivalent of "taking her time." hinako was going to go into a forced marriage because her dad had debts he needed to pay off, and is legitimately scared about getting married due to everything she's seen with her own parents + how she was treated in 1960s JAPAN as a tomboy instead of a little perfect princess.

And yet, Kotoyuki is rich, handsome and nowhere near what her father is in terms of personality. This is such a non-point when even when her "choice" is taken away from her, she gets all that she'd want if she weren't a girlboss.

But I get it, I guess Kotoyuki is kind of a bit too soft-spoken and K-pop stans weren't a thing in the 60s, so maybe he actually isn't as "chad" as he could have been in Hinako's eyes, if only he were some imperial soldier. :laughingmerchant2:

It's even worse that with all this "abuse" and "control" that her father has on her, that somehow she actually gets away from it anyway, man, it's like uh, he wasn't a big deal after all. "Muh trauma" really is a poor excuse.

>kotoyuki comes to the realization that, although he is extremely passionate for hinako, they barely actually know each other. they both agree that they need to wait a bit longer before marrying and they begin actually getting to know each other first.

>hinako straight up tells kotoyuki "if the love you have for us was real, then i hope we can meet again. we'll think it through, slowly and carefully. we'll have our answer ready."

Yeah, I get it, you have a liberal-tinted view of relationships and of women, hence why you don't understand how stupid this sounds. This is exactly all the wishy washy modern feminist propaganda bullshit through and through. "Let's get to know each other, if you truly love me you'll let me go", a woman in her 20s says.

I don't feel the need to quote further because it doesn't matter if the hallucations are real or not, the premises are just plain wrong for this writing.
Obligation is only a problem to the modern era.
Women have always been hypergamous.
Relationships are built and the modern view on "love" is retarded.

And no, when I say "relationships are built", I say that even if you are to be sold for marriage, both you and your partner will be compromising and eventually you will "love" each other, it's how people stay in successful, non-abusive and happy relationships for 60 years, because there's certainly no spark after like a few years.
Does this always work? No. Are relationship better now though, more than they were back then? Lmao, no.

So yes, this is a woke game, it's not about her being a woman, it's about her being unlikeable and far too successful for what she is (a stupid modern woman in her 20s), it's also about continuing the modern trend of trying to kill marriage and trying to Disney-fy relationships and people.

@Immahnoob "oh he is wealthy and handsome and kind and has everything she could ever want!"

like put yourself in her shoes for a second. there's a girl who is wealthy and beautiful and kind and appears to have everything you would ever want, but you barely know her outside of her professions of love for you. it is an extremely unwise choice to just immediately marry them because they are infatuated with you.

"she gets all that she'd want if she weren't a girlboss"

what she wants is to not jump into a marriage that could end up like her parents' because she doesn't even fuckin know the guy. what she wants is to still be able to be friends with everyone she knows back home unlike her sister and other women who get married and then are barely heard from again. she doesn't just want a dude who is rich and handsome, she wants a man who understands and loves her and lets her continue to be herself. and that isn't being a slut riding on cocks or some shit, she has dreams and aspirations and views marriage as a possible harm to those things, so she's gotta make sure that the guy she's getting married to isn't going to take that away from her. as a guy, you should make sure that the woman you are going to marry will respect your wishes as well. this is healthy relationship 101.

it is starting to seem to me that the people calling this game woke are pretty extreme in their views on relationships, marriage, and women and i just fundamentally disagree with them. the type of people who think women shouldn't have rights and shit.

like, if you're the type of person who thinks that women are only going to be able to build a relationship with men in an arranged marriage and should be completely subservient to their husband at all times i just wholeheartedly disagree. this seems like more of a personal problem if your reading of this game's story is "oh it's woke."

@beardalaxy >like put yourself in her shoes for a second.
>"You get a beautiful, rich and kind wife"
>mfw

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>this seems like more of a personal problem if your reading of this game's story is "oh it's woke."

I just explained it to you and your response is to ignore what I said and just bulldoze through with your bullshit.

Even if the woke or left wouldn't have existed in some hypothetical other timeline, I would still have found this to be propaganda all the same. The issue here can't be "interpreted", we have tradition:
1. Being portrayed purely negatively from all directions
2. Being subverted by modern ideas
3. and eventually being sidelined for modern ideas.

Or are these 3 points not true? Has there been a single positive aspect being shown about this situation? No.

Instead we have:
1. Woman "losing her identity" because of marriage (portrayed as cutting off her own arm, having her face cut, mind control, HUGE brand through fire on your back)
2. Woman, "taking her time"
3. Woman saying "women are treated like animals"
4. Woman seeing the married women as villains (Junko, mother)

Let's not forget she somehow kills everyone at her wedding in the bad ending in a drug haze, a woman in her 20s, killing several other adults all by herself, as a druggie.

@beardalaxy @Immahnoob every man would take that deal in a heartbeat if they had an arranged marriage with a

>beautiful wealthy kind woman who says she loves you
guys would still work a job or use a lot of their time to get to know the woman

@zeroraining107 @beardalaxy @Immahnoob even just 2 out of 4 of those is better than what the dating marked and all its stress, costs and degradation would be likely to ever offer you.

@beardalaxy @Immahnoob >like put yourself in her shoes for a second. there's a girl who is wealthy and beautiful and kind and appears to have everything you would ever want, but you barely know her outside of her professions of love for you. it is an extremely unwise choice to just immediately marry them because they are infatuated with you.

Assuming divorce rape isn't a concern (which it isn't for women, at least not until very recently), I think an overwhelming majority of men on our side of Fedi would take that deal.

@ChristiJunior @beardalaxy @Immahnoob I would. Course I'd have to test her at least once. Leave a Tamamo miko cosplay costume on her bed and see if she gets the hint.

@Immahnoob @beardalaxy to add "taking her time" is not a modern feminist bullshit, the first wave feminist suffragettes are full of woman who made that mistake and FAFO

@Blue @beardalaxy Feminists ruining women for ages now.

@Immahnoob @beardalaxy i always knew this shit was jewish garbage inside out
Some retard in last origin discord tried convicing us zilent hille femoid was "le mastapiece" because "le secwet ewding!!!!!!!!1!11!1!1" which all of us knew was complete bullshit and just pro whoredom and no accountability garbage made by some feministic retard in Japan
Doesn't help the guy is a fucking arab aswell

@beardalaxy @Immahnoob >this "taking her time" is not the modern day equivalent of "taking her time."

Yeah, that's one of your arguments I'll firmly reject - we know that left-liberals are constantly resorting to the Motte-and-bailey fallacy to make people swallow their worldview, so the idea that a Current Year game pushing typical Feminist arguments somehow doesn't count because it's applied to a pre-3rd wave Feminist setting, or to a situation where obvious wrongs are taking place, seems naïve at best. Let's also remember that modern left-liberals are often so extreme and deranged that there's not much reason to think they can distinguish between forced, abusive marriages and the 1950s nuclear family, or between a violent drunk father and benevolent patriarchy.

I expanded a bit on this point earlier this year, when I went over a particular sidequest chain in Xenoblade 3 which I didn't really have much of a response to on my first playthrough, but which I found very pernicious when replaying the game.

>Essentially, the sidequest chain in question involves the realization that Colony Tau’s peculiar customs and traditions are nothing but the inventions of Moebius, more specifically the twisted Consul U. After this awful truth is exposed and we press F for U, naturally Colony Tau needs to turn a page on its backwards past. Now, in-universe this makes perfect sense, but in terms of how the “media literate” types will read it…you can probably see the issue here. And as much as I would like to say that ANY kind of long-lasting tradition being the product of malevolent conspiracies is an idea so obviously outlandish that nobody would try to apply it to the real world, my experience with left-liberals suggests otherwise – these are ABSOLUTELY the kinds of people who will unironically claim that groups of old, White men have from time immemorial used religion and tradition to keep women, nonwhites and sexual minorities down, rather than acknowledge the obvious – the whole reason that enduring traditions and ways of doing things endure is because they WORK, even if shortsighted people whose whole morality is based around the Current Thing can’t grasp that. So giving these mental midgets a storyline like this to latch onto is quite unfortunate.

@ChristiJunior @beardalaxy Yes, my suspension of disbelief is also broken when I'm being told that the natural state of things is somehow not the case in these very specific situations, for which I am then espoused some feminist/leftist propaganda instead. :cat_laugh:

Like yeah, sure, let's accept that Hinako was "so very traumatized" so she hated arranged marriages, that her mother really was pitiful for trying to keep peace in the house and that the father was a monster for trying to relieve his debts through a very common method while also giving her a hunk of a husband that is perfect in every way, he's a real evil monster for all that, but come on, somehow her conclusion is exactly our "modern solution", huh?

@ChristiJunior@detroitriotcity.com @beardalaxy@gameliberty.club @Immahnoob@detroitriotcity.com yea! that was basically my point of critique of that storyline at the time, although i dont think fedi got me or i expressed the points well. Not of the storyline itself, but something in it the neolibs would latch onto as you mention here. It didn't help Tau is home to Juniper, so everything surrounding the side quests there would bring in the pozzed types who would try to "recruit" the setting and events therein for "their team" of eunuchs. (For those unfamiliar, Juniper is the ""nongendered""/""trans"" party member, according to trans on reddit & xitter, voiced by a transgendered English voice actor...thanks NoA really cool...)

@ChristiJunior@detroitriotcity.com @beardalaxy@gameliberty.club @Immahnoob@detroitriotcity.com *in referring to Xenoblade Chronicles 3, I don't know enough of Silent Hill f to weigh in on those points (but I have a strong feeling i won't like it ​​ ​​)

@RehnyNytes256 @beardalaxy @Immahnoob I actually did remember you pointing this out back in the day (and it completely escaping my notice), and in the full Writeup I even give you a shoutout for it. I'm genuinely surprised it went over my head at the time - I guess I kinda had tunnel-vision about Colony Tau, and was just relieved that Juniper's (completely made up) "non-binary" identity was never actually referenced or acknowledged during those later sidequests, which caused me to miss the troubling aspects of that sidequest chain. That's my only explanation.

I also did have a fair bit more to say about sidequest, as well as various other stuff I noticed during my second playthrough, in my writeup:

https://detroitriotcity.com/notice/AvjOnvZH65jUeTiSwK

@ChristiJunior@detroitriotcity.com @beardalaxy@gameliberty.club @Immahnoob@detroitriotcity.com it's a good sidestory! from our perspective it's good to think what beliefs have been woven into our society by malicious actors as ways to keep us obedient (huh, I wonder what beliefs come to mind irl...certainly nothing based off events from 80 years ago... heh ​​).

But you just know there's lib trannies going all "slay! Down with the traditions of the past. I hate my parents!". In fact, I see it as because the colony didn't have parents and real traditions that it was so malleable for control by Mobius who created their own.

In a way, XB3 is neat because it can be interpreted in many perspectives (even if reddit trannies' perspectives are WRONG ​​)

@RehnyNytes256 @beardalaxy @Immahnoob Yeah, there's a reason I ultimately rated the game a +2/-2 on my Based Morality Scale, though ultimately I do feel the game slightly tips its hand in our direction, especially after Future Redeemed, whose big bad literally wanted to Erase The Past.

I don't even necessarily think that particular sidequest actually was written with ill intent - the closest thing to a "smoking gun" is the traditionalist rhetoric used by lieutenant Raine, but ultimately that might just have been due to those arguments actually being compelling (he's not a villain after all, and clearly well-intentioned). But the way it can and almost certainly will be read is indeed very unfortunate.

@ChristiJunior @Immahnoob the problem here is that you don't have to take the game as propaganda if you don't want to, but a lot of people seem to want to take it as feminist propaganda and get mad about it for being that. EVEN IF the intent was for the story to be subversive and actually get you to like modern day feminism or some shit, even if it is the same arguments that modern day feminists use, you can still absolutely 100% view the story outside of that and take it for what it is instead of doing some mental gymnastics to take it as what you think it was supposed to be. i have no idea what ryukishi07's political beliefs are, and i don't really care for the majority of creators as long as what they create turns out being good.

and i know you understand this because you understand there is a difference between the in-universe explanations making sense and the way the the "media literate" types read it.

it's not just those mental midgets latching on to the story though, it is the anti-woke crowd too because they perceive it to be made for the mental midgets and that makes them angry. does that make sense?

@beardalaxy @Immahnoob I do see what you're saying, but that actually makes it more insidious to me, because that would make the game more effective propaganda, pushing the left-liberal Feminist narrative while maintaining plausible deniability. That's the way a lot of our post-WW2 entertainment USED to be, before the writers completely went insane or were replaced by crazy people with zero impulse control. That entertainment was *also* propaganda, and it DID eventually brainwash entire generations, it was just much better written propaganda which could be enjoyed purely in terms of storytelling and entertainment - but again, in some ways that actually makes it worse, because I do believe that propaganda was ultimately more successful and therefore destructive than the garbage we see so much of today.

Also, effective propaganda will by its nature work on much smarter people than the ones falling for Dustborn-tier brainwashing, especially since they might *think* they're hip to messages being pushed by the story, while still unintentionally having their worldview (ever so slightly) be altered by the more subtle propaganda they're exposed to, like Radical Individualism.

@ChristiJunior @Immahnoob I understand what you're saying, but I think it is a whole lot of performative mental gymnastics just so that you can be mad about something tbh.

@beardalaxy @ChristiJunior Dude, it hits you like a brick in the fucking face. The only reason you can say this is because you believe that arranged marriages are inherently evil.

That's a lot of words to say you're an incel. 😏

@Immahnoob @beardalaxy you heard it here first, there are no happy endings in silent hill and your trauma affects you for the rest of your life even if you self-inflicted it with Mary Kay