Do leftists have a point with the whole liberalism leads to fascism thing? Academic Agent is basically advocating fascism now.
Now he's simping Taliban
@matrix Yes. I went from liberal => libertarian => ancap => whatever the fuck I am now. The well known fascists also largely went through libertarianism. I'm not sure why. For me it was just largely because libertarianism hinges on such shoddy and arbitrary morals and thinking about it brought me to egoism, and then reading Kaczynski and realising that capitalism is largely just a hedonic treadmill
@applejack @matrix I went from socialist (squatting, drugs, organizing anti-car demonstrations and all) to liberal and I am now a happy libertarian ( somewhere between minarchist and night watchmen. Yes I am a statist @shebang , bite me! 
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For me its the constant threat on our freedoms, people telling me how to life my live and how to view and treat my fellow individual, who I can and cannot interact with.
You are right about the hedonic threadmill. I can go on about this for hours to the point I am bordering on being outright misanthropic.
@xyfdi @applejack @matrix I can’t hate minarchists that much, I made their own custom emoji .. 
@applejack
I dunno about todays fascists but the og fascists were largely socialists.
The morals are solid, however I do think that there's a problem of liberalism needing a high trust society to function and that is where fascism can dig in.
Yeah, I'm not sure your views have a name 
"Capitalism is driven by hedonism but please let me fuck kids"
@matrix No, I want to marry and impregnate a single 9yo in a Ted cabin in the woods. It's very different.
@applejack Well technically yes but does it matter that much?
@matrix Do you not see a difference between wanting a wife and wanting to score? Thinking of them as just sexual objects is even more disgusting than when it's done to women
@applejack I see the difference, but impregnating preteens or young teens isn't good even if it's with an intention of leading a trad life.
@applejack
Because they can suffer long term health problems from getting penetrated by an adult penis and from giving birth. Also high age difference between partners tends to lead to extreme mate guarding. (I assume you aren't 12)
And I also doubt a child would make a good wife.
>from getting penetrated by an adult penis
No, if it fits, it fits. Forcing it is obviously retarded. 9 or so is about the average for when you can penetrate
>from giving birth
No, that's a fake meme that stems from teen pregnancy being mainly among niggers
<https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK219236/ >
>Although blacks were overrepresented in the entire sample
>These sample hospitals served a primarily black, low SES area of their respective cities. Thus the results from Marecek and Hardy may differ from those of the other studies.
>Among whites, in contrast, first born children of mothers 20 to 25 scored lower on the average than children of mothers 18 to 19; children of mothers under 18 did not differ from the other groups.
>Marecek also failed to find a difference on the Stanford-Binet by age at first birth among whites.
>In the Marecek study, no difference in intelligence by mother's age at first birth was found for whites.
>These models were developed only for blacks, since the white samples were too small for meaningful analyses
>Belmont el al. found the contribution of maternal age in years to be very small, contributing less than 1 percent of the variance explained in intelligence.
>In general, the results from the three data sets were very similar. The authors' (Belmont et al.) conclusion was that the offspring of teen mothers suffer IQ depression only because of associated social disadvantages and not because of any “immaturity of the mother.”
Remember that the youngest birth mother was 5 when she gave birth to a healthy baby boy, in 1930s Peru, didn't suffer complications, and she is still healthy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lina_Medina
>tends to lead to extreme mate guarding
No, it is mate guarding. That's why men like young girls, because they don't have spent sex histories. Do you expect you can force them to be celibate for 10+ years without that just leading to dumb flings?
>I also doubt a child would make a good wife
"I doubt a woman can be a good mother. She's not even pregnant with my child yet. Useless." is the thinking you're using. She will be the best wife, you just need to treat her right. She's also just cute and adorable in the moment. What's not to love?
@applejack @matrix
>MLP profile pic
>Advocating for child pregnancy
Checks out.
@applejack I'm talking about mother's health, not child's.
By extreme mate guarding I mean when an older partner is scared that their younger partner might leave them for a younger more capable mate and it often results in abuse.
@matrix What the fuck are you talking about
@applejack Do you know what mate guarding is?
@matrix Yes, what the fuck do you mean a 9yo is going to move out and start looking for other relationships
@applejack None, but it will come into play once she's older
@matrix When she's older, she's bonded. That's why men evolved for younger girls and girls for older men, and that's why men (20+) historically married girls (12-16)
The alternative is literally just try and keep her celibate for 10+ years or get a used up whore who can't pairbond
@applejack When she's older you are even older and she's still capable of having children
@matrix Then go fuck a 50yo on the verge of menopause who's somehow family oriented but single for 40 years of fertility. God, this is a retarded non-point
@applejack
Are you aware that there aren't only children and seniors?
@matrix Can you just make a single clear fucking coherent point instead of some vague bullshit trying to make me look for a point in it.
>if you marry a little girl she'll become a 20yo and leave you because she's fertile (???)
>therefore date a 20yo
I don't fucking find a point here. Wtf do you mean if not "fuck grandma" if what you're complaining about applies to the age group you're trying to argue for
@matrix
extreme mate guarding...
And that is a bad thing....how exactly is that a bad thing again???
@LukeAlmighty A young women with an old man has a high chance of scoring with younger stronger one and the older man knows that he's insufficient and unable to defend her, so he starts abusing her to make her less desirable and more dependent.
@galena
Sorta, leftism has the same roots as fascism but AA was never leftwing
@Charfuhrer
Yeah, but that makes sense
@matrix I haven't seen any of his recent videos. Is it his last one?
@xyfdi
I haven't either. I don't watch him much, but I follow him on Twitter which is where I'm getting this impression.
@matrix
Yes, they do have a point.
According to political triangle, there are two absolutist ideologies and one libertarian.
Commies are absolutist, but they do not care about their own sins. On the other hand, when they keep pushing their shit on libertarians, they are left no choice, but to unite with the 3rd faction in order to fight them back.
So in short, all they see is bunch of libertarians allying with fascists for "no reason at all".
@LukeAlmighty I know this explanation. I'm wondering why AA changed.
> The hatred of monarchy and aristocracy drove the liberal bourgeois leftward; the fear of being dispossessed of his property, which was threatened by radical democracy and socialism, drove him in turn toward the right, to a powerful monarchy whose military could protect him. He thus oscillated between his two enemies and wanted to fool both.
Then was elected to the Executive Committee of the Communist International in 1928. That same year the Communist International called Fascism the "terrorist dictatorship of big capital". And to add to it in the 60s he compares American Republicans to Fascist and "American economic competition [...] strengthened the objective conditions for a reactionary policy tending to liquidate or limit democratic liberties, to keep alive Fascist regimes, to create authoritarian regimes, to prevent any advance of the working class and sizably to reduce its living standard."
Now creationism