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>which keeps needing new parts to play newer games released in a few years.

Not really, depending on the settings.

@xianc78 My only hope of affording a decent pc is buying one pre built or used off ebay. Too stoopid to build one myself

@BigDawg869789 It's just as easy as putting together a shelf. You can find some set-ups online that list all the parts they used as well as how to put it together.

If you really can't put together a PC yourself, a lot of companies allow you to specify the parts you want, if you order online. System76 for example sells PCs with base specs, but allows you to customize for more powerful specs, but they only sell computers with Linux on them.

https://system76.com/desktops

As for used stuff. People are selling their custom-built PCs all the time. Just be sure that it's labeled as a gaming PC and that it's somewhat current gen, otherwise, you might be buying some office PC from 2009 (a lot of schools seems to be dumping their 15+ year old computers these days). You can also visit local college campuses and check for any ads on the bulletin boards to see if any student is selling their old PCs.

@xianc78 You underestimate my retardation, mortal

@BigDawg869789 Fine. Just get some pre-build from Alienware. Hopefully, ~$1,300 is affordable enough for you.

@xianc78 Isnt alienware kinda meh? I mean compared to others of the same price? Saw a few negative reviews of them but idk, never bought any alienware stuff

@BigDawg869789 They are the only pre-builds I know of that are dedicated to gaming, outside of ones from System76, but they only offer Linux PCs and I don't know if you would want that.

@xianc78 How much different is linux from windows in terms of doing basic stuff? Like just playing games or doing basic internet stuff?

Only issue with games on linux are ones with certain anti cheat things, most everything works just fine you can look up the games on protondb or lutris to see how they run and if they do. Proton is on steam and it's as easy as selecting the compatibility option to run it. Internet and nearly everything else works just fine or has a close equivalent.

@blaaablaaaa @xianc78 Ok, thank you computer smart people. Alas, I am a simple gamer caveman trying to adapt to modern tech. I have no braincels but I must game

Yeah it doesn't take much honestly to get up and running on most linux operating systems, everyone else has already had the problems to just searching will fix most everything. I've done daily linux for like 5 years at this point.

@blaaablaaaa @BigDawg869789 The only real problem you run into at this point is if you apply for a job or take a class that requires you to run a Windows program that refuses to run under Wine or Proton. In that case, you will need to dual boot (have two operating systems installed on your PC) or have a Windows VM.

@xianc78 @blaaablaaaa @BigDawg869789 There's still the option of having an extra computer or two for keeping work separate from your personal/gaming stuff, although it's not cheap. You could be lucky if you have a friend or relative no longer needing some old Windows office PC, too (it's how I got an old Dell XPS and a ThinkPad once).

@berkberkman @blaaablaaaa @BigDawg869789 You should always ask any potential employer if they issue laptops to workers, when applying for a job.

@BigDawg869789 @blaaablaaaa Anyway, if you want a Linux PC for gaming, this is the one you should be looking for. They are designed with gaming in mind.

https://system76.com/desktops/thelio-mira

@blaaablaaaa @BigDawg869789 Also, if a game is not on Steam (or if it's just a regular Windows program), there is Wine which is what Proton is based on.

If you are into emulators, pretty much every emulator in existence is on Linux as most emulators are open-source. Though emulators for 6th gen home consoles and beyond are kind of hit or miss on Linux, at least from my experience.

Even if it's not on steam if you have the exe you can load it into steam and have it run through proton that way. They've made it so easy and apparently there is another linux os that's basically the steam os so there's that option as well.

@xianc78 @blaaablaaaa Love emulation. So simple, and can even choppily run some emulators on my old crappy laptop

@BigDawg869789 @xianc78 I recommend against buying Alienware desktops longterm. Save up for System76. Maintaining an Alienware prebuilt computer has been nothing but trouble for me. A lot of them aren't easy to replace since their motherboards are unique (in a bad way); you can't just put a random SSD, RAM module, or GPU without any problems from their computers (even if there could be support). The AIO cooler is also a pain to deal with over time, especially if you forget to clean out any dust. Those System76 motherboards on the other hand are simpler to repair. There's documentation available, too.
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@berkberkman @BigDawg869789 One more thing about System76 is that they are one of the few hardware manufacturers that disables the Intel Management Engine which is a universal hardware backdoor that is present in all Intel CPUs since 2008. Granted, it is ultimately a band-aid solution as you are still giving money to Intel, who are most likely either going to eventually blacklist System76 as a customer or make it harder to disable the backdoor in future processors, but it's better than nothing.

@BigDawg869789 @xianc78 you don't need to fiddle to make fortnite work

@PurpCat @BigDawg869789 @xianc78 Make private servers great again

@PurpCat @xianc78 @BigDawg869789 Nigga, who ASKED for you to put all this BULLSHIT in there and fuck with everyone's ability to play your fucking dogshit ass game, anyway? The 20 fucking perverts who lock them selves in their goon cave to learn to bing bing wahoo in fuckdickshootsmcfartwaffle2k24 0.01ms faster that every other person on earth? That's your fucking market for competitive games. It's not the NFL, no one cares if it's not rigged (bad example but I digress). Make a good-faith effort to tamp down on cheating and then fucking quit. Don't make an inferior product in the pursuit of the literal most impossible windmill to ever be tilted at: computer security. You can't win, no one can, and especially not the fucking retards that work at AAA sloppa COD factories.

Jesus fuck die already.

@pwm @xianc78 @BigDawg869789 i want every game dev to be forced to work at mcdonalds

@PurpCat @pwm @BigDawg869789 At least some Falcom devs from the 80s and 90s also worked at retail, but that's because they were also a computer shop at one time.

@PurpCat @xianc78 @BigDawg869789 let's kill him immediately

@PurpCat @BigDawg869789 @xianc78
"oh vey just turn every computer into windows 10 S and we wont need to install spyware on your PC to game!"

@xianc78 i have the LEDs disconnected on my computer case lmao i hate light coming off of it. i have light on my keyboard so i can see the keys better and that's it. it doesn't cycle, it doesn't fade, it's just solid cyan all the time. i'm not a fan of all the crazy RGB stuff either.

@beardalaxy @xianc78 The PC mustard ricers seem to be on par with those mobile gaming whales. The key difference is that it's easier to find out which is which thanks to their gaming towers.

@berkberkman @xianc78 i think it's easiest to tell who actually knows what they're doing or not by looking at their PC. most of the flashy ones with extremely good cable management are pre-built.

@beardalaxy @xianc78 Too many cases have that tempered glass for showing off those parts. While I understand why they're used, I'd be happier seeing old computer cases that just have a good airflow and plentiful space for parts. There's also been some computer parts with anime-related stuff on them lately.
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@berkberkman @xianc78 they look really cool for pictures and stuff, but i would NOT want to have that sitting right next to me all the time lol. my shit is almost completely black and the only light is from my GPU branding text. i don't even have my power led plugged in lol.

@berkberkman @beardalaxy System76 sells empty cases, but they don't provide bays for optical drives.

https://system76.com/components

@xianc78 @beardalaxy The last time that I saw support for an optical drive was on the Fractal Pop Air case. It's not too bad for less than $100 (if you can find it on sale).
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@berkberkman @xianc78 crazy enough, my case has 3 optical drive bays and a floppy drive bay.

@beardalaxy @xianc78 tell my why my friend had zero issues ever running cyberpunk 2077 on his custom cyberpunk xbox console versus all the PC bros that suffered on release

@teratology @xianc78 i hope this is a joke because that's the exact opposite that happened on release lmao

cyberpunk was actually a game made for pc, whereas most new games are built for console and then shoddily given a pc port. actually, i think the PC stutter problem really started to become a more widespread issue *after* cyberpunk. it's kind of crazy that i can play ghostrunner 1 (2020) and not have any stutter but ghostrunner 2 (2023) has plenty of it.

@beardalaxy @xianc78 I know it was made for PC but all my friends who played it at release had floating trees n shit. The game was buggy as hell c'mon

@teratology @xianc78 my roommate and I played it at launch on PC and it definitely has its fair share of glitches, but on console it *barely worked* to the point both Xbox and Playstation removed it from their storefronts. Playing on PC I actually only had a couple of bugs. A ramen cup duplicated, a music loop continued and gave me invincibility, and a garage door had no collision. But that was it, actually.

@beardalaxy @teratology @xianc78 I played it on PC on release and only had funny minor bugs and AI cars pathfinding lagged once, was completely smooth sailing otherwise
OP is funny because I dunno where he finds elitists like these, all PC master races I know joke about playing games from 1998 on their rigs and compete who can go more toaster

@beardalaxy @xianc78 oh yeah I didn't think it would be a breeze on consoles but to clarify the xbox my friend has is literally a cyberpunk exclusive maybe they had patched things by then or it's related to the console

@teratology @xianc78 I think the console versions were launch editions. If it was a Series X then it probably wasn't too bad. It was mainly the last gen versions that had issues.

@Zergling_man @xianc78 if i use a computer, even a pretty low quality one, i get to keep my games and play them forever. Consoles mean u can stop getting the updates for them to work or they can get nuked for you cloud account whenever the maker decides you have to buy new games. Consoles are shitty versions of computers that do less functionally and are made to box people in and be nothing more than planned obscelecence in mere years. A 2000 conputer with a small upgrade to the graphics and processing will run anything new (and possibly some other small compoments like a wifi chip if needed or the such)

@Lyx @xianc78 >processing
Problem with that is that pin count changes constantly and you can't really mismatch them either way, so that means a new motherboard, which means new RAM because that will have changed too.
You can just pick them up from a tipshop, but I guess on the other hand you can just pick up a ps3 from a tipshop too.

@Lyx @xianc78 @Zergling_man Backwards compatibility also gets better the more open the environment

Issues with old games aren't nearly as big if you can at least patch and recompile old libs

@applejack @xianc78 @Zergling_man i was thibking about my comment after posting ot im thinking aboit making a video about it but, for instance, ivw NEVER finished the greybeards storyline in skyrim because out of the at least 4 different playthroughs ive done, that specific quest has frozen EVERY time at different points. Thats cause ive always played it only on 360 if i had played it on pc i couldve reached out to the modding commumity i KNOW theyve patched it. And u can download all sorts of paid OR free mods that completely change the game from independent modders u cant even experience that on consoles they shit brick you

@Lyx @xianc78 @Zergling_man On PC this would usually just be fixed by going on the wiki and typing in a cmd into the console

@applejack @xianc78 @Zergling_man i forgot u czn do cknsole commands lol but thats another amazing benefit. Im comvimced i don want another console ever again unless its a retro piece. Consoles amd console companies ha e become something they havent always beem and become too toxic to spend money on tbh

@Lyx @xianc78 @applejack Would you play an open-source console game?

@Zergling_man @Lyx @xianc78 People spend months arduously decompiling old console games to get them to run on PC. An open-source console game with any kind of audience would be ported fairly quickly anyway

@Zergling_man I'm talking about the type of PC gamers who will only play games if their PCs allow them to play on max settings. The types who refuse to switch to Linux because their games run slightly better on Windows.

I primarily game on PC, but I'm not some snob that insists that I should play only on the cutting edge hardware with max settings.

@KaiserKitty I never made that associated even back when I used Windows. As a kid, Linux was presented to me as the mythical operating system that I always hear about but never see anyone use. I had no idea what it looked like until my brother tried an Ubuntu Live DVD.

The most common complaint I hear about Linux from Windows PC gamers is that installing programs is not what they are used to. I guess EXEs are just more user friendly than packages.

@xianc78 Installing games is the same basically since steam handles it all for you. You just need to enable one setting and proton auto starts all games without even a Wine Prompt showing up. The only big intial hurdle is learning how to get non free drivers and steam on your distro but in any mainstream distro its just a matter of adding a few repos (which many distros even auto mate at start up like fedora opens up with a button you can click to enable the major third party repos).

@KaiserKitty Not every game is on Steam though.