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One day, I will take a pen, paper and start calculating just how much of my life was stolen by the state.

And I know, that once I see that number, I will never wake up the next day.

@LukeAlmighty I like how you said "stolen" given that you libertarians endorse the stealing of indigenous land.

@hachi
How old are you btw?
If you're below 10, then I will have to apologize for the bullying. Otherwise, you should know how conquest works already.

@hachi @LukeAlmighty
Given that actual retards will fall for this and they already have, I'll bite:

Ayn Rand never called herself a libertarian. She actually opposed the term because she saw it as "right-wing anarchism" (this even includes night-watchman state libertarianism). Her philosophy was called "Objectivism" which was a major influence on right-libertarianism, but is ultimately a separate ideology.

Libertarianism is the idea that all (or at least most) forms of human association should be voluntary. Objectivism is the philosophy that one should only work within one's own self-interest. These may sound like similar concepts at a first glance, but they are not.

Objectivists think that donating to private charity is immoral unless you get something out of it because otherwise you would be bringing yourself down. Meanwhile, libertarians don't see anything wrong with it as long as it's not done through force. This isn't also getting into other differences such as their stances on intellectual property.

I see both leftists and third-positionists strawman libertarianism and individualism by referencing her quotes, yet both Mises and Rothbard thought she was crazy.

@xianc78 @hachi @LukeAlmighty >Objectivists think that donating to private charity is immoral unless you get something out of it
Very jewish mindset.
@LukeAlmighty Are you referring to conventional taxes only? Or also more abstract things that are harder to measure?

@Jens_Rasmussen
The idea came, because there are talks being made about mandatory military service in here. And when I wanted to explain to someone about losing an year of my life to state mandated bullying, I also remembered the 20 years of school.

After that, taxes obviously came to mind........ As I said, if I ever calculate it, I will in fact go collect it all back with interest from someone.

@LukeAlmighty Our mandatory military service (Which is not really mandatory at all) will be extended to also cover women next year. Very cringe.

I do believe that some military service can be good for most men, assuming there is no abuse and such of course.
Learning some basic first aid, how to handle a firearm and getting some basic fitness at least at one point in life are all good.

@Jens_Rasmussen
Bro...
I was already stolen 20 years of life by school, and it tought me nothing about first aid, fitness or handling firearms. But, military service is not a self-help camp. It is a state mandated slavery.

Do you REALLY want to tell me, that it couldn't fit into the already stolen 20 years of school service?

@LukeAlmighty More militarized high schools, you say? It could be an alternative 🤔
@LukeAlmighty You said that the military skills should be fitted into regular schooling. 20 years is also more than the minimum required years of schooling, I might add.

@Jens_Rasmussen
> Our mandatory military service (Which is not really mandatory at all) will be extended to also cover women next year.

Based

@Jens_Rasmussen
BTW, I love the absolute state of euphemisms people use to describe it. You used "some basic first aid, how to handle a firearm and getting some basic fitness". That's not a bad way of describing state mandated slavery.

But in here, and I'm not shit talking..... They described it as an "alternative way of getting a drivers license" :pepelol:

@LukeAlmighty I am not a libertarian like you. I do believe that the nation has an obligation to serve its people, and that the people in return have an obligation to serve the nation.
The issue then comes with disagreements about who "the people" are, and how the people and nation are best served.

@Jens_Rasmussen
Yes, I agree with both statements you just wrote.

A nation and it's people should serve each other. But, I live in the EU. The government had already commited a treason, and it doesn't represent my interest. Serving the government would be betraying the people I love and want to protect.

It's that simple.

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