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@tomie Yeah, I could agree with that. People do that to this day and I'm sure they did it back then too.

@Aldo2 Jesus faced the full brunt of Roman law despite not actually doing anything wrong. Pilate only crucified Him because of the mob, who he even asked if they would rather crucify an actual criminal, and asked if they would be willing to accept a curse on their people forever. Pilate washed his hands because he knew Jesus did nothing wrong, but felt like his hands were tied (regardless of whether they actually were or not).

People are not arrested on the assumption that they are pedophiles. Nobody is arrested on assumption. People may be perhaps targeted because of it, but an arrest only comes if the state believes that they can actually charge the person in question for doing something illegal, like trying to meet up with kids for sex or owning/distributing CP. If you go to a therapist in a state that requires therapists to report crimes and tell them that you are attracted to little children, and that it causes you a great amount of distress, but have never acted on it then you still have the disorder but you will not be prosecuted.

Pedophilia is a classified disorder. Objectively. You may think something else, but I am speaking from a point of law as you seem to be ascertaining that being a pedophile is illegal. Having a disorder is not illegal, acting on it is.

In order to even have a diagnosis of being a pedophile from a psychiatrist, you need to have either acted on it (with age ranges for minors affected by pedophilia) OR it must cause distress. If a person who is attracted to underage girls does not act on it and it does not cause any distress, they are *by definition* not a pedophile.

I, perhaps incorrectly, understood you to be knowledgeable enough to know this. That's why I assumed that you already knew being a pedophile (in the sense of being attracted to children or in the objective sense of having it diagnosed) was legal. To me, it seemed like if you knew it was legal and were tying a conversation about it to child rape, then calling for it to be made legal, it would stand to reason that you wouldn't want just the ability to have that attraction/disorder to be legal, but also the ability to act on that attraction. I apologize for assuming malice where there was just ignorance.

@Aldo2 Many people would probably consider me a Christian Agnostic. I don't really try to label myself. That tracks, though, because to be completely honest I'm not sure exactly how accurate the story about the Ark and the Flood really is. It could be 100% accurate, it could be sensationalized, it could be a story told to people of the time to get them to understand principles much in the same way we have stories that have morals to them these days. I think that whether it actually happened or not is pretty irrelevant in terms of how it pertains to everyone's salvatory status so lingering on it isn't worth the time.

@Aldo2 You missed the first word Jesus said in that phrase. "Father." It wasn't a call for people to go unpunished. It was a call for God The Father to still grant them salvation. Something that was only made possible by Jesus's sacrifice. This is solidified by Him saying "It is finished." Jesus even looked to the penitent thief and told him "Today you will be with me in Paradise." He said nothing to the unrepentant thief, who still needs to go through the repentance process even in death (made possible only by Jesus's sacrifice, again).

Forgiveness is dependent on repentance. We are commanded to give forgiveness to every man, insomuch that the man repents. It means that we are not to deny anybody the ability to repent.

Forgiveness without repentance is permission. In this hypothetical, forgiving Trump for raping your daughter should be something you should do as a Christian but only if the man faces the consequences and seeks retribution. I do not think that would mean still being the President and I think this person is absolutely delusional. I believe they are essentially pandering to their MAGA constituents instead of taking a principled stance. It's the same thing with the Christians who completely and blindly support Israel. I agree that it is likely this person would not grant the same forgiveness to a random street thug.

@tomie @Aldo2 this is another case of the Old Testament being absolutely insane. It is similar to God obliterating Sodom and Gomorrah, including anyone who would look back to it. This scripture was from a time when the Israelites were at war with a nation of people who sacrificed children, and so Moses told people to basically kill everyone so that their nation would be no more, then take all of the "pure" women who still existed there. It isn't as if they would have fended well by themselves, but yeah it still is pretty insane. Even without being said by a prophet, this kind of thing was standard warfare (and kind of still is in some ways, honestly), so it is hard to say how much of it is God commanding this to happen and how much of it is God not intervening in it happening. Does that make sense?

Usually, the way this is explained in Christianity is that these were days before Jesus walked the earth and died for our sins. Since Jesus had not yet died for our sins, people had to face the full brunt of their sins instead. Another instance of this happening is the Great Flood, which killed all but 8 people. It is said that Jesus, after He was killed and before He was resurrected, descended to Hades and taught the Gospel to the people who died during the "days of Noah" so that they might have salvation.

Then there is the concept that the Old Testament may not be something that you should always take completely literally when it comes to matters of how one should act as a Christian. It was written by humans in a different time, and their own morals, fears, and such would have been present in the text. As I said before, it is certainly possible that this is an example of not God's commandment, but God's lack of intervening, as is common especially after Jesus died for our sins. That loops back into the former paragraph as well, as there is no longer a need for God to personally intervene in such large ways as He did in the times of the Old Testament.

It is hard to wrap your head around and even harder to justify, especially by modern standards. It happened thousands of years ago. I understand why it makes people hesitate, as it makes me hesitate as well. What it comes down to for me is that Christians should follow Christ first and foremost, and use things such as the Old Testament as supplementary material mostly second to their own prayers and their own informed judgement. Maybe it's an unpopular opinion, I don't know.

I'm sure there are people who could explain this kind of stuff MUCH better than I could as well. The fact is that I do not have every answer under the sun, I mean I've given two different perspectives here, but I do find it interesting to talk about. Some of it is even perhaps informed by my upbringing, because I was raised Mormon and there is the belief taught that Christians should believe the scriptures as long as they are translated/interpreted correctly. Nobody really knows what "correct" is and our modern minds may not even be able to comprehend it, so that's why I say that prayer and personal meditation should be at the top of the list when considering things like this.

@Aldo2 Forgiveness, judgement, and repentance as they pertain to Christianity are nuanced subjects that have been pushed to their lowest values in the mainstream zeitgeist. In my opinion, it has been done in congruence with the ongoing campaign to weaken Christianity. This can be seen even in symbols such as the pentagram and the cross of Saint Peter.

Christians are not meant to be soggy doormats allowing themselves, their loved ones, and their people to be stomped on by people who do not even seek repentance. Jesus taught that we should rebuke those who wrong us, but forgive without limit if they repent. Repentance is a process that includes righting your wrongs and facing consequences.

Me sharing this scripture is not a call to kill people, of course. It is to demonstrate the weight of this hypothetical situation where Trump raped minors. Saying wholesale that you would forgive Trump for raping children *and* continue to support him as the president, assumedly without repentance because he would still be president, is not grounded in Christianity. He should face the full brunt of the law because that is what repentance entails. After the repentance process is complete, then forgiveness can be granted.

Furthermore, you so curiously continue to conflate child rape with pedophilia/hebephilia which you call to be legalized. Pedophilia and hebephilia is legalized, Aldo. You will not be punished in accordance with the law for expressing that you are a pedophile. The official requirements for pedophilia as it exists as a disorder are already steep and hebephilia isn't even officially recognized as a disorder. It seems to me that you are calling for the ability for anybody to be able to rape children and not be punished for it, and you're using Christianity as a scapegoat for it.

Ironically, you argue in bad faith.

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@coded_artist imagine wanting more money for your work

@teto yeah what's up with olds hating Japan and anime and stuff? So retarded. My friend has a bunch of innocuous demon slayer figures and his dad referred to them as "japorno"

man ever since austin carlile left of mice and men they've basically just been a heavy version of mayday parade. they're not bad, obviously still an amazing band, but it's just not why i listen to them. austin's songwriting and screaming were peak.

@fuxoft lol wtf

@teto meanwhile me listening to japanese music since like 2006

listening to utada hikaru in the car with the rest of the family so confused was funny

@solidsanek @lebronjames75 i can't hear any combination of the words "finger" and "ass" without thinking of this song

@VidMasterEon @mushroom_soup

@Dubbub yeah but they didn't have internet memes