#Antifa: * kills people *
#GeorgeSoros: You winning, son?
@jojo You're right tho
Really only people who are not thinking would believe that anarchy leads to a good society or has any chance of success
@jojo (I'm currently working on a video on this very subject atm)
@realcaseyrollins @jojo I look forward to annihilating this.
@tuxcrafting @shebang @jojo This is actually good, thx
@tuxcrafting @shebang @jojo Hmm, but didn't they have a standing army, the Makhnovists? Can it still count as anarchy if they had a militarized force?
"In 1920, the Revolutionary Insurrectionary Army declared that all types of money must be accepted within the territories, threatening "revolutionary punishment" to those who failed to follow this."
@realcaseyrollins @shebang @jojo uh yes? you're always gonna need an army, especially when your threat model includes the ussr, and like everything else was handled in an anarchic way
@tuxcrafting @shebang @jojo Of course, but that doesn't sound like anarchy to me, I thought anarchy was supposed to completely do away with violence
Anarchy only describes the formal power structures, it doesn't dictate peaceful or violent, and you will find both. Somalia has been a poster-child for violent anarchy for a long while, while peaceful communities of anarchists are not even rare.
@realcaseyrollins @jojo Arguing against a bunch of statist strawmen doesn’t even make me break a sweat.
It’s too easy.
But let’s wait to see the finished product.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_anarchist_communities
The list isn't short, nor is every instance recognized.
Looking forward to more of your show, I enjoyed the episode with @alex.
@realcaseyrollins @shebang @jojo If you count anarcho-capitalism as anarchy, you have medieval Ireland and parts of the American Old West
@realcaseyrollins @jojo I’d stand to disagree with your definition of ‘anarchy’ if you think it requires violence. I’m not disagreeing with your assessments of antifa; but anarchy has a far richer philosophical history than the violent idiots that claim anarchy before killing a President.
@realcaseyrollins @jojo No, power struggles breed violence. Power vacuums inunciate that greatly. But the absence of power alone is not enough to create those circumstances. But you ignore that every action taken by Antifa and by those using BLM to selfish needs are doing so under an authority — much in the same way Sunni jihadis kill Shia families, for the glory of their understanding of Allah.
Would you describe Iran and Saudi Arabia as anarchy?
@realcaseyrollins @jojo No, you study Emma Goldman instead of looking down on someone who is trying to give you a different perspective.
@realcaseyrollins @jojo I mean, seriously. Was that necessary, to insult my intelligence? Do you think I’m not paying attention? Do you think I’m an idiot? Because you certainly don’t have any interest in having a deeper understanding of the philosophies you’re out to discredit in a video.
@realcaseyrollins @jojo The fact you keep using that word shows that you haven’t understood a thing I’ve said, no even tried.
First, you’re the one who assumed anarchy could be done at a societal level. I never asserted that, nor did I assert that any manner of anarchy in practice has been successful.
Second, have you studied anarchy? Have you studied Somalia, or Catalonia, or even the death of McKinley? I ask because you’re saying you’re going to blame ‘anarchy’ for CHAZ/CHOP, when you appear to have no idea what it is other than what people who have used it for violent and selfish ends tell you it is. To me, that’s a red herring. There are leaders in the BLM and Antifa movements; they write books and they publish blogs and teach at schools. We’ve seen some of their faces. There are also temporary leaders in localities that take control of the madness of crowds to accomplish what they seek. This on top of the fact that CHAZ/CHOP was done with the Mayor’s knowledge and permission, in her ordering the withdrawal from the Precinct. The governor of the state as well, completely allowed it to happen.
There were leaders everywhere. This wasn’t anarchy, it had nothing to do with having no leaders — it was about destroying the leaders of our past and present to create new leaders, picked under new rules.
The power vacuum came when the adherents to the religion of Woke were permitted to break laws in ways that average citizens weren’t. No one would stop them. If one of these people punched you in the face and said it was for Christ, would you call it anarchy?
@realcaseyrollins @jojo I would say some of the individuals were anarchist, in a manner similar to anarcho-Christian practices, but many of them seemed to be insurgents with no declared political preference, yet the weapons to enforce the leadership of their chosen leader (Raz in some cases, the heavyset motherly nurse in other cases, and I think there was a third.) But even if their principles were anarchist, the CHOPAZZLE itself remained dependent on its enclaving city the entire time.
I was homeless in Seattle for a few years. Slept rough until they convinced me to accept housing, just 8 blocks south of where the CHAZ took place. I knew that area well, very very well. Aside from the barricades and an increase in graffiti, I don’t think CHAZ changed the politics of Capitol Hill at all — when it became CHOPAZZLE, they kept on doing things by-committee and adapting as new complaints arrived, even if it inhibited their ability to continue helping everyone.
@sev @jojo Right! Well my point is it started out as anarchy, but people like Raz came in with guns and started bossing everyone around. And there was no governing authority or cooperative force to stop him. Point being, true anarchy leads to a power vacuum which is quickly filled by violent parties.
But perhaps I'm wrong about this.
@realcaseyrollins @jojo My only disagreement would be that the governing authorities did exist, in the form of the Mayor and Governor, but they chose not to act specifically for reasons of maintaining their power within the sect that agrees with the insurgents.
@realcaseyrollins @jojo I don’t think it does anyone any good to encourage the delusions these people have that CHOPAZZLE was somehow a separate country for a few weeks, or indulging them in their fantasies of violent anarchy. They like to take words and change their meanings, in order to justify themselves — my dog in this fight is I’d rather well-intentioned people didn’t aid them in that.
@realcaseyrollins @jojo Well, since you have no interest in having conversations, and know everything, I apologise for being a subhuman in comparison to your greatness.
Could you explain in three or five sentences how real anarchism would work? I think freedom is good, but I doubt anarchism would work.
This is well said. I posted something similar a couple of days ago: https://husk.site/notice/9wfl0DldqPUrlvgDk8
@moth @jojo @realcaseyrollins Thank you for this. I tend to think of anarchy from a very Machiavellian perspective — which is to say, States exist in a state of anarchy between each other, and citizens exist within the governments their states give them.
I also use it descriptively as "the null medium" within which states exist.
I love that you say
I argue that the chaos and volatility that you’re attributing to anarchy are actually coming from the political structure shifting.
You convey a point I’ve struggled to convey across the last month, very well. In a time where those who we’re supposed to consider authorities of current events are little more than yellow journals, I find it really important to find the right words and idioms and even religious stories that can better give a lens into what one is trying to describe. Language is, in the language of opsec, a vulnerability surface.
Antifa is nothing but retardation