Dear gamedevs: please stop hosting your communities on Reddit and/or Discord and get an actual forum. You player-base can cope with it, trust me.

@xianc78 Am declaring a fatwa on Discord, inshallah the pædo-troon furfags shall no longer devour what should be forums and wikis
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@Tadano How has Discord replaced wikis?

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@xianc78 @Tadano its where they keep the knowledge gathered from players in the discord and if you want access to the data you gotta join the discord, and well if they didnt want to get made fun of they wouldnt have a selfie channel.

@MasterSimper @Tadano Okay, that makes sense. I actually have noticed that with video game proto archive communities, even mods and hacks are distributed through Discord.

I've also noticed that people are using Google Docs in place of wikis as well, like these people can't even host a wiki on Fandom (which is already a bad choice in its own right).

@xianc78 @MasterSimper @Tadano using discord for mods, particularly nintendo ones, is actually a pretty good idea because it keeps them out of the public eye and they're less likely to be taken down.

@beardalaxy @xianc78 @MasterSimper yeah but being at the mercy of Discord's degenerate staff is atrocious. If one insists on the veneer of secrecy from using a Discuck server then why not just host a matrix instance. Hell Dendrite's at 100% federation parity with Synapse so you aren't stuck with Python soyware

@beardalaxy @MasterSimper @Tadano
>it keeps them out of the public eye and they're less likely to be taken down.
Tor hidden services, I2P, Usenet, forums that require login in order to view, other chat protocols. There are a bunch of other options.

Also if the ROM hack in question is a patch, then it falls under fair use.

@xianc78 @MasterSimper @Tadano it's zoomers being dumber with tech and trusting big name companies because it's all they know as well. Discord just also enables the antisocial behavior of zoomers, from letting you kick people from chats (and clearing history and having no ban reason) to bots like pluralkit.
https://www.theverge.com/22684730/students-file-folder-directory-structure-education-gen-z
https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2019/11/16/todays-kids-may-be-digital-natives-new-study-shows-they-arent-close-being-computer-literate/
@theorytoe @Tadano @xianc78 @MasterSimper I grew up before they did and actually used windows 9x and had to learn shit myself. Of course I also had absent parents, but smartphones are dumbed down even compared to winmo or early Android phones.
@theorytoe @Tadano @xianc78 @MasterSimper normies use them as their main computers and the most popular os on the internet is android now.

@theorytoe @Tadano @pawlicker @MasterSimper I still remember the days when people made it a big deal that they made a post on a device other than a PC. I can't count the many times I saw the "posting from my DS/Wii/cell phone/kindle/PSP/etc" spam.

@pawlicker @Tadano @MasterSimper I'm technically a zoomer (born 1998), but I still remember forums. I still remember hearing about Reddit becoming popular and absolutely hating it.

@xianc78 @Tadano @MasterSimper it's more the younger ones. I'm talking the ones born after 9/11 seemingly
@berkberkman @xianc78 @Tadano @pawlicker that was mostly for retards who didnt understand how to do basic searches, and would start threads with some question thats in the front page readme first topic. Then clutter everything, because they couldn't differentiate shitposting a meme question again vs actually needing the answer for the question.
I'd argue the reason archiving is seen as bad to social media addicts is also because to quote someone else, the internet (and culture as a result of forced change) has changed decades in the span of a few years. I mean look how pronouns went from being in Tumblr bios and laughed at to in your parents work e-mail. I mean 10 years ago this would be a skit satirizing hipsters by some YouTube channel, in fact I saw a CollegeHumor skit with the same exact premise: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBRtucXGeNQ

Furthermore if you criticize the orthodoxy you are prone to being marked to have your life/career ruined by Twitter users. To make matters worse, plenty of NPCs have no real core values other than "what will make me get ahead in life/online". So some people will do this to try to whitewash their internet past for a new crowd or to avoid being fired.

Of course this also leads to hilarious situations. Let's look at one community I have knowledge with; the furry fandom. Zoomer furries will call you a zoophile in the same way Twitter addicts will call you a pedophile for liking anything anime if you like quadruped characters. Also not even 10 years ago, the biggest cartoon and online fandom was about literally just that (My Little Pony), and don't get me started on the Pokemon fandom and eeveeloutions.

So someone I know would go on the profiles of people who would bitch about it and tried to whitewash their profiles of it, find favorites on art sites of MLP or Pokemon porn, and share them to their friends with burner accounts and watch drama unfold. This sounds crazy, but furries will crusade over why people should be canceled for everything and then end up having "cancel" worthy shit in their history, and then give into the temptation of saying something instead of learning to shut up.
Smartphones happened, along with everything from the financial crash, the Big Bang theory normiefying "nerd culture", the rise of FB, Twitter, and Tumblr, and the infamous "Hackers on Steroids" news report.
The only thing that could fix that would be total smartphone death IMO, which you can make easier by refusing to use a smartphone or maybe even a flip phone for your job.

I know one guy on here would puzzle employers when he told them "nope I don't have a phone".
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@Tadano @berkberkman @xianc78 @MasterSimper

my phone literally is a glorified ogg/flac player so if I could get that reliated to its own device I would be perfectly fine with a flip phone
Plenty of choices for that, or you can even use a phone with wi-fi off and a SIM removed. I just use mine for messaging and shitposting and I can do that without cell data, except for the fact I trust my work wi-fi even less than I do that.
@theorytoe @Tadano @berkberkman @xianc78 @pawlicker @MasterSimper my phone battery died so now i just leave it on my desk
if people need to contact me they eventually learn to use e-mail
im a student. if i were employed it might be more difficult, but im enjoying not having a phone.
I have a SIP phone on my desk and a ATA for a cordless phone in my house, I might as well just use that.
@clora @pawlicker @Tadano @berkberkman @theorytoe @xianc78 I just download audiobooks, lots and lots of audiobooks. enough audiobooks that if they were downloaded illicitly I would be in danger but I assure you they are not.

@clora @Tadano @berkberkman @MasterSimper @pawlicker @theorytoe Enjoy it while it lasts, unless you can get a job that doesn't require installing some phone app.

The other thing (and why Discord blew up) is simple. You could use Discord on your web browser without downloading an app or even making an account, and then you could download the app and make an account if you really wanted to use it.

It's clever how big tech works isn't it?
@xianc78 @xianc78 @MasterSimper @Tadano A lot of mods and texture packs are hosted on NexusMods, which is also another poor site since downloading and uploading them is limited.
@MasterSimper @Tadano @xianc78 the other justification I've seen from a twitter/discord addict on why he hates wikis is nobody will edit them.

Meanwhile some Wikia/fandom wiki for some kids show has tons of pages and screencaps for each character.
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