matrix07012 :thotpatrol:

Holy shit I'm so retarded I can't even remember few kana characters :pepeHang:

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matrix07012 :thotpatrol:

I think I'm starting to remember them by their key presses, not sounds :pepeDread:

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matrix07012 :thotpatrol:

hmmm, there does actually seem a system to this

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matrix07012 :thotpatrol:

no there isn't a system, it's a clusterfuck

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matrix07012 :thotpatrol:

I've got hiragana down and now Katakana

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matrix07012 :thotpatrol:

This is difficult. I hope I don't forget hiragana now.

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matrix07012 :thotpatrol:

It's worse than hiragana

シ ツ
ソ ン
ウ ワ フ

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matrix07012 :thotpatrol:

I think I got kana down. Now just continuous training so I don't read at the speed of a retarded 1st grader.
And now the fun part begins, grammar, kanji and vocab :Aware:

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matrix07012 :thotpatrol:

I got addicted to InfraSpace instead gg.
At least it's a fairly short game, first playthrough took me only 24h.

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matrix07012 :thotpatrol:

This is retarded

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matrix07012 :thotpatrol:

Woman is 女 and read as おんな
Child is 子 and read as こ
Girl is 女の子 and read as おんなのこ
That makes sense.

Guess how 女子, female is read? That's right, じょし

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matrix07012 :thotpatrol:
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Honestly I have no clue how you are even supposed to remember this

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matrix07012 :thotpatrol:

彼女 means either she or girlfriend depending on how it's used :FeelsWeirdMan:

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matrix07012 :thotpatrol:

So far, all the grammar guides online are retarded. Except for Cure Dolly who actually explains logically and doesn't leave out important information.

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matrix07012 :thotpatrol:

Kanji for bike actually makes sense

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matrix07012 :thotpatrol:

The default meaning of 車 is a car, but the historical meaning is wheeled vehicle
電車 - electric train
自転車 - bicycle
自動車 - automobile
馬車 - horse-drawn carriage
汽車 - steam train

so an electric car is 電気自動車 :weirdChamp:

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matrix07012 :thotpatrol:

however it's basically the same in english

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@matrix you're not supposed to. That's all of etymological interest after "tenderness", the part you're supposed to remember. Just like when faced some random medical word that you don't recognize, you can intuit the meaning from remembering bits of Latin, you can get a sense of an unknown character, but that's not what you're supposed to do. What you're supposed to do is recognize the character.
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matrix07012 :thotpatrol:

@apropos but that's often not possible as often the kanji are build from completely unrelated parts with different pronunciations

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@matrix kanji's worse massively overloading the characters, but if you're just reading you don't need the pronunciation at all. "A sense of what the character refers to" is enough for you to gloss over it and still get something out of the text. The spell that was just cast must be some kind of ice thing because it's covered in ice radicals, idk
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matrix07012 :thotpatrol:

@apropos yes, but to be able to do that you need already need to know a lot

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@matrix the important point is that there isn't an alternative path (and definitely not a shortcut) that goes through you first learning all of these detailed etymological breakdowns of character meanings.
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matrix07012 :thotpatrol:

@apropos oh yep, i know that. i'm just lazy.

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lain, author of the quixote
@matrix it's not hard at all, just learn them one by one. then when you actually need to write a character you'll remember 'oh right, this is just human plus melancholy' and it pretty much writes itself.
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matrix07012 :thotpatrol:

@lain Since I'm crippled, I'm not learning the strokes, because I would be going at max speed at about 0.5 kanji per day.
But yep, once you learn enough you will start seeing the similarities.

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lain, author of the quixote
@matrix are you doing wanikani or KD? or just rawdogging?
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matrix07012 :thotpatrol:

@lain basically yeah, I'm learning words with kanji, not kanji by themselves.
I'm using sottaku.app for the flashcards since it has nicely organized presets. Once I get grade 1 kanji down, maybe N5 if grade 1 isn't enough, I'm gonna do just reading and sentence mining. I never did contextless memorizing in anything.

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lain, author of the quixote
@matrix you do you but i don't think 'words with kanji' works. if you have 30 mins a day rather do KanjiDamage or wanikani and you'll know 2000 kanji in a year.
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matrix07012 :thotpatrol:

@lain Why do you think so? Basically my reasoning is: since pronunciation of words has barely any correlation with kanji and the meanings of radicals don't give much hints towards meaning of the kanji either, there isn't much reason to learn them (and radicals) first instead of learning them naturally through noticing pattern in learned words or looking them up when reading.
(also words with grade 1 kanji are mostly just the lone kanji anyway)

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