Holy shit I'm so retarded I can't even remember few kana characters :pepeHang:

I think I'm starting to remember them by their key presses, not sounds :pepeDread:

hmmm, there does actually seem a system to this

This is difficult. I hope I don't forget hiragana now.

It's worse than hiragana

シ ツ
ソ ン
ウ ワ フ

I think I got kana down. Now just continuous training so I don't read at the speed of a retarded 1st grader.
And now the fun part begins, grammar, kanji and vocab :Aware:

I got addicted to InfraSpace instead gg.
At least it's a fairly short game, first playthrough took me only 24h.

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Woman is 女 and read as おんな
Child is 子 and read as こ
Girl is 女の子 and read as おんなのこ
That makes sense.

Guess how 女子, female is read? That's right, じょし

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Honestly I have no clue how you are even supposed to remember this

彼女 means either she or girlfriend depending on how it's used :FeelsWeirdMan:

So far, all the grammar guides online are retarded. Except for Cure Dolly who actually explains logically and doesn't leave out important information.

@matrix you're not supposed to. That's all of etymological interest after "tenderness", the part you're supposed to remember. Just like when faced some random medical word that you don't recognize, you can intuit the meaning from remembering bits of Latin, you can get a sense of an unknown character, but that's not what you're supposed to do. What you're supposed to do is recognize the character.

@apropos but that's often not possible as often the kanji are build from completely unrelated parts with different pronunciations

@matrix kanji's worse massively overloading the characters, but if you're just reading you don't need the pronunciation at all. "A sense of what the character refers to" is enough for you to gloss over it and still get something out of the text. The spell that was just cast must be some kind of ice thing because it's covered in ice radicals, idk

@apropos yes, but to be able to do that you need already need to know a lot

@matrix the important point is that there isn't an alternative path (and definitely not a shortcut) that goes through you first learning all of these detailed etymological breakdowns of character meanings.
@matrix it's not hard at all, just learn them one by one. then when you actually need to write a character you'll remember 'oh right, this is just human plus melancholy' and it pretty much writes itself.

@lain Since I'm crippled, I'm not learning the strokes, because I would be going at max speed at about 0.5 kanji per day.
But yep, once you learn enough you will start seeing the similarities.

@matrix are you doing wanikani or KD? or just rawdogging?

@lain basically yeah, I'm learning words with kanji, not kanji by themselves.
I'm using sottaku.app for the flashcards since it has nicely organized presets. Once I get grade 1 kanji down, maybe N5 if grade 1 isn't enough, I'm gonna do just reading and sentence mining. I never did contextless memorizing in anything.

@matrix you do you but i don't think 'words with kanji' works. if you have 30 mins a day rather do KanjiDamage or wanikani and you'll know 2000 kanji in a year.

@lain Why do you think so? Basically my reasoning is: since pronunciation of words has barely any correlation with kanji and the meanings of radicals don't give much hints towards meaning of the kanji either, there isn't much reason to learn them (and radicals) first instead of learning them naturally through noticing pattern in learned words or looking them up when reading.
(also words with grade 1 kanji are mostly just the lone kanji anyway)

@matana I know, my head hurts and I've only learned like 8 kanji :jahy_pain:

@matrix just don't bother, you'll catch an information overload, just memorize the simplest shit until you're ready to build some less simple shit with it, and then even less simple shit with the less simple shit, it's literally like building blocks

me, I winged irregular verbs in English (never bothered to memorize that huge list of them) and I am going to wing kanji too

save your memory for counters, because Japan decided to have like 500 of them

but at least nouns can be generated by simply throwing もの at whatever

@matana I winged English irregular verbs too, but kanji seems 10x difficulty.
Yeah that's the plan. Learning grade 1 kanji and then just reading.
Thanks for the heads up, I still have a lot to learn before I get to counters.

@matrix if you learn mandarin first it makes a bit more sense, but the Japanesified Chinese pronunciations are from various dialects over centuries, and they're Japanesified
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