Aldo @Aldo2@gameliberty.club

@FallenFadedLostItAll@freak.university @carlosruzu @applejack

Also, I swear to God, if I get fired because I was conversing with you guys while in the office, I'm gonna be very upset >:(

@FallenFadedLostItAll@freak.university @carlosruzu @applejack

> "At what point is that "child" no longer a "child"?"

And with that, let us all take a moment to ponder the fact that an 18 year old (in some cases, a 16 year old) is allowed to throw their life away in war, but can't go into a bar.

@carlosruzu @applejack

No, I can't, really.

But I can say in that my personal case, I'm a late bloomer, so, in reality, everyone else was doing this shit years before me (i.e. before they were 10 years old).

@carlosruzu @applejack bruh, when I first learned how to jack it, it was like 10 minutes of “what the fuck is this, how does this work?” Followed by like 1hr in the nearest cubicle.

@applejack @carlosruzu I’m not saying it’s immoral. I’m inclined to agree with you more than disagree. I’m just saying there are better ways to argue the point.

@applejack @carlosruzu

This is where the “statutory rape is ok” crowd come in, and proceed to muddy the waters even more than they already are...

@matrix Detroit: Become Shithole

@matrix “here at X we are committed to a policy of radical diversity and inclusion”

You know they’ll have issued a statement like that. I’m willing to bet money on it.

@carlosruzu @applejack

There was a link that someone from another instance (Anime.Web?) posted a while back to this series of interviews a person did with people who were in pedophilic relationships, and, essentially the majority of the women at least (there was a section on homosexual pedophilic relationships, but that’s not me, so) said that while there was nothing wrong with their relationship, they still wouldn’t want the AOC removed (the most some were willing to go was lowering it to like 14 or 15, which some countries in Europe already have done).

They acknowledged that they were a minority, and obv not every child is the same. Still, it made for a very interesting read.

Of course, many pedos were citing that and saying it was evidence that the AOC should not exist, and/or that adult-child relationships should be legalized, but clearly they didn’t actually read the thing.

@carlosruzu @applejack

I mean, I’ve been approached by drunk women/girls before, but never continued on, because I am a retard and very shy in person. Guess I dodged those rape allegations, eh?

It’s part of the reason I’m more for fostering a better understanding of how children mature (and, the assumption is that, with that understanding, a better way of dealing with those sorts of relationships is possible, rather than just jail time for the adult and psychological abuse - represented by hours and hours of “counselling” every week - for the child), instead of rambling about how the AOC should be 0.

If there was an understanding, then it wouldn’t be so alien to propose that, hey this adult and this “underage” person are actually in a benign relationship, and while such a relationship is not the norm, there is nothing inherently wrong with it.

There are cases of this happening in the relatively recent past, wherein it was determined that there was no abuse, and that both parties reciprocated each other’s affection.

@carlosruzu @applejack

> There’s no ethical situation

I don’t mean to be...That lolbert retard guy....But...What if the child consents/initiates?

That is THE ethical situation...

*And I’d just like to reiterate, obv not every child is as “developed” as each other. The point is, there are definitely, verifiably some who do understand these “adult” concepts, sometimes better than actual adults.

@carlosruzu @applejack

Having an attraction to those younger than oneself (this includes being attracted to teen/pre-teen children) is neither good, nor bad. In fact, you could say it's natural.

If pedo = child-rapist/abuser, then yeah (and there are definitely some who seem to have made it their goal for these two things to be made synonymous). But, obv, that is a wholly simplistic understanding.

I myself have come a long way.

I'd argue that many lolicons (#notall, maybe not absolute majority, but a sizeable chunk) are in denial or terrified of their "secret" getting out. And they're terrified because, to them, having any pedophilic tendency at all, no matter how benign, (for example, thinking, "wow, that 13 year old is attractive") means that they are a rapist-murderer.

@miria @beardalaxy @carlosruzu

I'm just saying, if I was a parent, I'd want to know what my child was being taught.

But then again, could just be my mother's paranoia genes coming to the fore.

@miria @beardalaxy @carlosruzu

In a sense, I can see where they're coming from (parents have the right to know everything their children are taught), but also, it's obv an extreme, defensive overreaction.

Not to mention their kids most likely already know about sex before their sex-ed classes even begin, like I did (and in my case it was before the mass-internet and smart phones).

@miria @beardalaxy @carlosruzu

I think it's because whenever sex education is talked about nowadays, people (on both sides) bring up porn. And that's also indicative of the wider malaise of pornography, in that porn itself warps perceptions about sex.

Obv, porn was not what was used in my sex-ed classes. They were rather boring.

@carlosruzu @miria @beardalaxy

It's not like you lose your virginity after 18, even if you don't have sex...

There are plenty of girls much younger than I who know much, much more than I do about sex.

There are (or were, back when it was still allowed) even 15 year olds here who go into clubs and basically hit on older men in order to get alcohol. They know exactly what they're doing.

There was this page, I can't remember the name, but it was, like, anonymous pedo confessions or whatnot, and one was by a woman who was with an older man (when she was a child), and (allegedly, this is just writing, after all) she was basically the initiator.

She wrote that as soon as she noticed his interest, even if he was shy and reserved, and never was forward with her, she realized how to get his attention, and then did so, progressively intensifying (as it were).

For his part, he never penetrated, he only ever did what she herself wanted etc...

Ofc, you can say it's made up, and fair enough. But my point is that it's not like children don't know about sex before 13.

I knew about sex before sex-ed; before secondary school. Hell, kids in my school were having sex while still in elementary.

@beardalaxy @miria

It is something that I've thought about.

I think the younger a relationship starts (within reason), the longer it'll last, as the bond is closer because both (or one) are inexperienced.

The more mature, the more business-like the bond is.

Not to say that in every case it's like that, #notall etc... but yeah, whatever happened to the phrase "childhood sweethearts" anyways? You never hear it said anymore.