@Jens_Rasmussen the game prices are high. definitely. relative to the rest of the market, i have to consider kind of what the price means to me. i'm way more likely to buy a really heavily polished and unique game than something that's either woke slop or soulslike slop. nintendo always kills it and i always sink a lot of time into their games. i'm willing to pay $70-$80 for that kind of quality, but they shouldn't expect anyone to be paying that like every month. the last full-price game i bought that wasn't nintendo... i can't even remember. maybe like, doom 2016? i think nintendo knows this, too, they know they make fucking bangers all the time and they can charge more than anyone else does because of it. not saying that they should, but i do think it is also kind of indicative of massive bloat everywhere else in the industry and nintendo is pretty much just capitalizing on it. it's not like they've had massive layoffs and studio closures, you know what i'm saying?
the games being priced what they are is definitely more of a problem than the price of the console itself, though, which i think is actually pretty damn accurate for what is on display there.
as far as significant regional differences go, can you point to any examples? pretty much everything i've seen has a very similar conversion rate. the only notable difference is that japanese-only switch 2, but i get why that exists.
nintendo's had paid online since the switch, it's $20 a year. if you want to go crazy with the emulators and have "free" dlc for games then it's $50 but that's so far out of the realm of what i want that i just don't think about it lol. i'm actually on a family plan with some friends so i pay $10 a year instead. YES, paying for online play is far from ideal, but it's also 1/3 of the other consoles so it's kind of like whatever. $20 is not that much lol.
i'm pretty alright with paying a good chunk of change for something i know i will play a lot and really get my money's worth. i have my gripes with tears of the kingdom but, as my only $70 game purchase ever, i did get a shit ton of playtime out of it and did still enjoy most of my time playing it. i spent like $1000 on pso2 over the course of 4 years because i poured a shit ton of time into the game, we're talking like 3,000 hours. you got dudes out there who pay $15/month for FFXIV and buy the $40 expansions. so the question is really how much value do you think you're going to get out of paying that much for a video game? if it's a lot of value, then the price is kind of justified at the end of the day. i don't necessarily ENJOY being forced to pay more for something, but i'm also not going to sit here and act like it's not going to be worth it for me to do so. it's not going to be worth it for a lot of people, at least not as often, but for me i'm already pretty damn picky with the games i pick up anyway. it's just that nintendo's games are always fucking bangers.
Switch 2 Pricing Discussion
@LukeAlmighty Steam Deck base model is $400. Switch 2 is $450. You're getting higher performance and a larger screen (size/res) with twice the refresh rate, HDR, and VRR. I was comparing it to the $550 OLED model in that post.
I think it is clear that Valve was pretty aggressive with their pricing. Nintendo is providing more performance than the OLED in every way for a lower cost. If you want to spend $50 less you can get something even less performant but that's not really my point of comparison here.
The difference is that of course you can't just plop whatever shit you want onto a Switch 2 like you can with a Steam Deck. That's always been the difference between a console and a computer and it's what makes PCs such a compelling purchase for a lot of people. It's always going to end up being more expensive right out of the gate but usually ends up paying itself off in the long run with the tremendous back catalog that is always going on sale for really good prices. It's funny because I say that, but then I realize that I have actually spent way more money on PC gaming than I've spent probably on all the consoles I've personally owned, subscription services included (and especially so when you consider stuff like the free PS+ games). I think in terms of overall cost they're about on par with each other but you CAN do a lot more with a PC and that makes it worth it.
However, a PC isn't going to be able to play the Switch 2 exclusives that I really want to play in a manner I would consider playable for another few years at the very least. I wanna' hop on Mario Kart World day one. Same thing with Kirby Air Riders. There is also the likelihood that I'd need to upgrade my PC beyond $450 worth in order to emulate those anyway. The Deck certainly isn't going to be able to. That's what makes its value important to me, and that's why I bought a Wii U and an original Switch as well.
If we're being honest, isn't everything that can play games beyond a certain level of fidelity a luxury item? I don't think a Switch 2 wouldn't be considered one just because it is Nintendo. If you want the luxury, you'll pay $40 for a single shirt instead of $5 for a pack of ten. Nobody NEEDS to play the newest games all the time in the best possible way. Nobody NEEDS the $40 shirt. But dammit, I want to play those Ninty games and I fucking hate how good they are because I would not be buying them otherwise xD
@irie yeah it's kind of ridiculous that we just let other countries put tariffs on us without doing anything to them in return. but trump is absolutely using tariffs as a weapon, just hope it works that way.
oliver from digital foundry says that mario kart world is running at raw 1440p at 60fps. no signs of dlss or dynamic resolution. that's pretty wild actually and it bodes well for the rest of nintendo's games on the system. their style has always leaned towards style rather than fidelity, and i think that's going to work very well for them when it comes to running games at higher resolutions and frame rates.
Switch 2 Pricing Discussion
The price of the Switch 2, at $450, is actually not bad at all. The closest comparison to it is the Steam Deck which is more expensive and not as performant. The Switch 2 has a higher refresh rate screen with VRR that is larger in size and resolution too. It's not an OLED screen, in relation to the comparable model, but it should still be pretty good. Then you've got the actual game performance too which Switch 2 will certainly be better at, I think that's a given.
I think we all would have liked to see it cheaper, but then again I never imagined that it was actually going to be as focused on power. I thought they would MAYBE go with a 90hz screen MAX. I definitely didn't expect them to have Metroid Prime 4 dropping with 1080p 120fps support. With or without any upscaling shenanigans that's still pretty damn impressive for a handheld like that. I think the price is pretty fair.
When it comes to the price of the games, that's getting a bit more on the iffy side. $80 really is too much, I think. It's a big ask. I am still of the opinion that instead of trying to go bigger and bigger with games, causing the jumps in price (alongside the obvious issue of inflation), development teams really should focus on making extremely tight and fun experiences that can be easily replayed. Nobody was asking for Mario Kart World to be an actually open world game with like shitty secrets to find if you veer off course or anything. Keeping it at $60 or even $70 while adding in all of the amazing stuff to the actual races themselves would have been honestly so much better. I am actually curious to see how much Kirby Air Riders is priced at, because I can see that actually being a $60 game with Sakurai at the helm. Dude knows his shit.
Then again, if $80 is going to get me 300+ hours of gameplay like Mario Kart 8 DX did, I don't think it's that bad of an investment on enjoyment. You go to the movies once and pay like $15 for a 2 hour thing that cost about the same as a video game, so it does scale to a pretty astronomical level. Not to mention, the game is one purchase that can be enjoyed by a bunch of people all at once. It sucks that it is priced so high, and that our purchasing power is so low, it really does. Is it still kind of fair though? I guess if you really want the game, yeah. It's going to definitely filter some people out, though, and I think that is partially why they included it in that bundle for essentially $50 instead. People were going to buy the damn game anyway, and now they're going to pay for a $20/year subscription too.
@tomie @LukeAlmighty and they're just in like an empty void lol
@MeBigbrain warframe is chill I don't play it a lot but it's fun
@LukeAlmighty yeah it's hard to make everything completely compatible on new architecture. Most games will run just fine, but some might depend on some weird intricacy of the original hardware that they might not have even known about so it messes with some little feature. This is how games have been under BC forever, even when the hardware or parts of the old hardware were implemented into the new one.
@tomie @LukeAlmighty everyone is calling it "the wheelchair game" lmao it looks so bad
@LukeAlmighty @matrix psvita was able to do it easily
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The presentation of the Nintendo Switch 2 was quite good, I just think the console and the games are a bit expensive. but well at least we can make some jokes about it XD
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