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@OverstepSmirkCrepe @Mackiavelli13 @lamp @sunshinetadpole @Hoss dude this meme could be used for anything.

@Mackiavelli13 @lamp @Hoss the ironic thing about this is that whenever there is a post about trannies actually doing things that are harming children i often post this

@sunshinetadpole @Mackiavelli13 @lamp @Hoss not to mention all of the "trans" people doing shit like the whole "egg cracking" stuff.

there is certainly a difference between glorifying a disorder and justifying your existence despite having a disorder.

@Hoss @Mackiavelli13 @sunshinetadpole @lamp that's kind of the nice thing about the internet, for all its faults. at least you can get things off of your chest. there are probably pedophiles that have the same feeling about it, it makes for a good outlet and just talking to people about stuff can really change the way you think about things or your perspective on things, as long as people are being respectful. especially talking to people that have gone through similar issues and actually understand what you're going through, because it is unlikely that a therapist or your parents will truly understand the gravity of whatever is pulling down on you even if they want to try their best to help.

@Hoss @Mackiavelli13 @lamp if you went to a therapist and said "i'm a pedophile" and they asked if you were under distress or causing other people distress, then you were just like "nah, some guy told me to come to therapy because i'm attracted to children, but i don't think i'm gonna' do anything about it and it doesn't affect my life at all," they'd probably just send you home and wonder why you were there in the first place. it isn't a problem unless it causes problems.

although i will agree that i get annoyed when people make the fact that they are a pedophile their whole personality, much like gay people who do that or people putting their pronouns in their bio. that behavior is kind of degenerate, i wish people would just act like human beings instead of caricatures. i do think that a lot of the time it's virtue signaling of sorts.

@sunshinetadpole @Mackiavelli13 @lamp @Hoss i know it is a natural response to hate them. there are plenty of natural human responses that we overcome all the time because we aren't animals. we're complex beings with complex problems, caused by ourselves and the very nature of having complex thought. if we just went back to making everything about natural human responses, the world would absolutely be a worse place.

if people want to hate pedophiles, that's fine. if people want to wish death upon them, they can do that. i don't think it's helpful, though, and i think there's a lot of cognitive dissonance and hypocrisy between that and many beliefs of people who usually say this kind of stuff, solely because it involves children and that sparks up irrationality.

@Mackiavelli13 @lamp @Hoss dude, dogs wouldn't even exist without humans. they'd still be wolves, killing other packs over territory and leaving behind the runts that can't contribute.

this "humans are a parasite" thing is also some real edgelord/globalist thinking, especially coming from someone who was just barely quoting scripture. according to that, the earth has been given to us so that we may be able to live out a human existence, a necessary step to inheriting God's kingdom.

@LoliHat @Mackiavelli13 @lamp @Hoss yeah and that's fucked up, and people will say it is fucked up but then all the sudden it's totally okay if it's a member of society that is functional and contributing but has some irregular thoughts bouncing around in their brain as a result of either biology twisting a bit or trauma... all because they don't like those thoughts and think that it is guaranteed they will act on them, so it's better to just kill them now.

@Mackiavelli13 @lamp @Hoss that's just eugenics, which i believe is highly unethical. it's hard for me to wrap my head around the idea that some people would rather have people be killed for no more than thoughts. you are willing people to escalate those thoughts with your rhetoric. you want to believe so much that these people are going to be horrible enough to actually harm a child so that you can demonize them, rather than offering some help and preventing that from occurring. it's highly irrational.

@Hoss @lamp @Mackiavelli13 humans aren't dogs. people put dogs down when they get too old to walk, or even get too sick to take care of, but we don't do that to humans.

this is also a poor comparison because rabies is an actual disease that will kill you or kill an animal, and it is treatable if caught fast enough. pedophilia is a mental disorder that doesn't even cause distress for some people, and only really can become a problem when it starts becoming distressing, which i believe can be attributed to in part by telling pedophiles they would be better off dead or that they deserve to die.

if you consider children who were abused to be like dogs with rabies, i think you are in the wrong and don't actually care about human beings, let alone children. that way of thinking is just eugenics and i do not agree with that.

@Mackiavelli13 @lamp again, we're not talking about actually harming a child. if they do, then they should be punished. also, the context of that scripture iirc is about taking preventative measures so you don't sin, such as "cutting off your hand" so you don't thieve, or "tearing out your eyes" so you do not covet. i don't think it is necessarily meant to be taken literally. in the same vein, pedophiles can take preventative measures to make sure they do not harm little ones. many of them don't even have to, they know they never would do such a thing.

let me ask you a question. do you believe that children who have suffered abuse and now, as adults, are pedophiles should continue to be harmed? ones that use things such as loli and other fantasy as a coping mechanism, or an outlet? should they be treated just the same as the people who wronged them?

@OverstepSmirkCrepe @Mackiavelli13 @lamp people can do whatever they want to themselves, but i think requiring someone to be chemically castrated, or pushing them towards it for something like a lighter sentence, is cruel and unusual punishment. that FUCKS you up. plus, afaik there isn't really an equal to that for women who offend.

@sunshinetadpole @Mackiavelli13 @lamp @OverstepSmirkCrepe i agree with this, of course there are times when it can be sexual or driven by substances that increase your sex drive and lower inhibition, but i think it more often comes down to wanting power over someone (and an adult can have more power of a child than anyone else).

@Mackiavelli13 @lamp i'm not saying anything about destroying a child's life. i'm not talking about people who act on their inclinations. i'm only expressing that those who do not act are not deserving of any punishment. if people hate them, that's their issue, but if people are actively trying to hurt them then it's not ethical. just because there is a child involved in the fantasy does not change that. it's where the sensationalism comes from, and it is the exact tactic governments and corporations use to strip away freedoms often. children could be on this website? we have to place down all of these restrictive rules. CP can be traded on phones? time to spy on your camera roll and send cops to your house if you take a picture of your child's rash. it is irrational behavior.

i'm not of the belief that most mental illnesses or types of thinking can truly be "cured" but they can be dealt with in healthy ways. i think that killing people isn't a healthy way of dealing with something, and wishing death upon them isn't exactly healthy either. i think it probably works in the opposite direction, where hating someone so much will only cause them to become closer to what you think they are. there are plenty of pedophiles out there that actually love children and would never do anything to harm them despite having those thoughts arise.

that's only my thoughts on the subject though because i don't know for sure, it's just kind of what i've observed over the years. people will meme about this phenomenon with radicalization of political views but when it comes to pedophilia it's "oh no these people are the scum of the earth, eradicate them" which is exactly what the NPC in this scenario did. that's why i say it's hypocritical.

@Humpleupagus @lamp i understand what you're saying. you don't have to condone pedophilia or think people who have it are good people or whatever, that is entirely your prerogative. that's not what the poll is about though, it's whether you want to KILL them because of it or not.

if my neighbor had a mental issue that caused him to wish to murder me and eat me, i'd either never know until he busted into my house in the middle of the night (in which case he's getting shot), i got randomly killed by him, or if he posted his fantasy online somewhere and someone showed it to me. in that case, i'd likely confront him and bring some backup but not kill him or anything. probably be on guard after that though. if there is something actually severely wrong with his mental state, maybe try to get him some help with trained professionals. should he be punished cruelly or killed for that though? i don't think so.

it's like my friend venting frustrations to me on the road. "yeah i'd like to pit maneuver that jackass and pop a cap in him." he's not going to do it even if he's fantasizing about it, and shouldn't be punished unless he actually does. likewise, people who say they want to kill pedophiles shouldn't be punished for saying that either. they're not actively threatening anyone, they just believe that pedophiles shouldn't be alive. until they actually harm someone or threaten to harm someone, i still believe they have the right to wish whatever they would like to wish.

@lamp pedophilic disorder isn't even diagnosed if it doesn't cause distress. pedophilia in general is incredibly sensationalized/weaponized and i would consider that a bad thing because when it gets like that, i believe it CAN cause distress. people get in their own head about it and start to freak out, maybe get depressed or do something rash. especially if there is something like childhood trauma that caused someone to think this way, or other mental issues.

even though many of my views are controversial (the circle i'm visiting just changes which ones are), i try my best to be as level-headed as possible and not let sensationalism get to me if i can help it. i feel like people wanting to kill/maim or otherwise harshly punish pedophiles are very similar to say, people who want to punch nazis or remove their rights for saying things they disagree with. two sides of the same coin. beliefs and thoughts should not be met with actions, they should be met with civilized debate, study, and philosophy.

killing or torturing someone who has technically done nothing wrong (and may have just had wrong done to them) is highly unethical and heartless from my point of view.

it's highly hypocritical when it is coming from people who advocate for free speech and to be left the fuck alone because they aren't doing anything harmful. you know that people who disagree with what you have to say would strip you of your rights (or worse) in an instant if they could, so why is it okay to do that to others?

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@Jazzy_Butts someone can be a fan of HH without joining the fan club that he doesn't even like.